Update Spain

I want to play Catalonia

No need, guarda civil or the regular army will set things right.

Catalunia new meta pick

Not gonna happen, remember the update where Crimea was given to russia? yeah, neither do I

Gg Finland first nation to recognize Catalonia.... gg spains economy is fucked

Illegal referendums don't count

Kosovo would be nice

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 27.10.2017 at 22:21

Illegal referendums don't count

Iraqi Kurdistan would make more sense all things considered

Kirjoittanut Zephyrusu, 29.10.2017 at 04:51

Iraqi Kurdistan would make more sense all things considered

Or Gaza

Fist add crimea to russ

I wish these stuff happens in your country, then see your reaction.

Kirjoittanut Your Laki, 30.10.2017 at 12:41

I wish these stuff happens in your country, then see your reaction.

Update UK I want to play Scotland

Kirjoittanut Your Laki, 30.10.2017 at 12:41

I wish these stuff happens in your country, then see your reaction.

I wish Mexico would decide for USA, then see your reaction.
I wish Ukraine would decide for Russia, then see your reaction.
I wish Turkey would decide for Germany, then see your reaction.
I wish Kosovo would decide for Serbia, then see your reaction.
I wish to all of you that are against self-determination and democracy to have another power make decisions for you, then see your reaction.

If only people would accept other people's wish to decide for themselves, everything would be better. Yes, thousands of countries. But then yes, thousands of countries that decide to associate and deal with each other freely.

Inb4 I get the "The referendum was illegal, they signed the constitution": Is this your idea of the "Rule of Law"? Is that how you enslave yourself for eternity for any past agreements in your country? You signed a lease with me for your flat for one year: "too bad, I decide you must live here for 1 year". You signed a mortgage for your house for 40 years? Ha, you can't sell, you can't leave, you have to live here for 40 years. My point is: yes, if breaking a deal must be compensated with a reasonable penalty because damage ensues, fine. That's what would have happened if dictator Rajoy had decided to negociate. But no: some Catalunyans signed something 40 years ago, so Catalunyan are "stuck" with Spain for eternity?

Is that how you deal with your wives in your country? What if she doesn't love you anymore, and she wants to leave? "No, you're stuck with me, because you said 'Yes I do' back then". And if you try to leave, it's against our initial agreement, so I'll beat you up.

Bottom line: they don't want to be there, let them go. Freedom.

Kirjoittanut Your Laki, 30.10.2017 at 12:41

I wish these stuff happens in your country, then see your reaction.

Hum ... yeah, well, I read my previous post again, and ... my God, not sure what happened to me. I mean, I sound like I hold an everlasting grudge against you ... which is not the case at all I guess I got triggered and am still flabbergasted by the lack of support that freedom receives in the Catalunya case ... sorry mate

I have another proposition, which may be a catharsis :

- Repression of the rebellion in catalonia by loyalist.

Kirjoittanut Guest, 31.10.2017 at 09:42

I have another proposition, which may be a catharsis :

- Repression of the rebellion in catalonia by loyalist.

I think you will get a lot of upvotes for that one

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 30.10.2017 at 14:29

Kirjoittanut Your Laki, 30.10.2017 at 12:41

blah blah

Actually, less than half the people voted for independence so the majority do not want freedom from Spain, but rather they want to stay with Spain.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 27.10.2017 at 22:21

Illegal referendums don't count

It counts only when it suits your interest, right? Doesn't matter it even says in the US constitution.



Even US constitution promotes self-determination, but god forbid someone actually practice it. Also, if referendum have to be 'decided' by the capital, supreme court or any other body, it would never work, because no one will allow referendum where part of the nation can freely choose to secede.

Simply, Catalonia-Spain conflict was frozen historically, due to monarchy, later fascist dictatorship, and now it's time again to think about it. Problem is Madrid used violence to crush it and US/EU don't care. Clear indication they care only for their member-states foreign policy and doesn't care for justice.



'Why isn't NATO bombing Spain for 78 days?'

https://www.rt.com/news/405659-catalonia-referendum-spain-serbia/



Former British diplomat William Mallinson told RT that a major part of the problem involving the Catalan crisis is "the enormous size of the European Union and globalization" which brings about the "slow destruction of the nation state itself."

This undermining of the nation state causes the "smaller parts getting irritated."

Mallinson then drew parallels between what is now happening in Spain to past events when NATO opened a relentless offensive on Yugoslavia and the capital Belgrade over the question of Kosovo independence.

"Why isn't NATO bombing Madrid for 78 days, because the situation is similar in very many ways."

"In fact, Kosovo is even more a part of Serbia than Catalonia [is to Spain.] Let's remember in the Middle Ages joined when Ferdinand and Isabella joined all those bits of Spain together. Let's remember that Spain is a united country but it is a conglomerate. We also must remember this dangerous knock-on effect. This is going to feed Basque anger more and more. And of course, other parts of Europe, possibly even the Walloons in Belgium, not to mention Scotland," he continued.

Kirjoittanut Skanderbeg, 31.10.2017 at 15:37

It counts only when it suits your interest, right? Doesn't matter it even says in the US constitution.

You can shove the US constitution up your arse. Do Slavs have some kind of brain disease where they have to make every single issue about the Balkans?

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 01.11.2017 at 14:09

Kirjoittanut Skanderbeg, 31.10.2017 at 15:37

It counts only when it suits your interest, right? Doesn't matter it even says in the US constitution.

You can shove the US constitution up your arse. Do Slavs have some kind of brain disease where they have to make every single issue about the Balkans?

BRITISH compared Spain to Balkan, BRITISH, not Slav you noob... and AMERICANS fucked up Balkans, AMERICANS, no one else, so when you fuck someone up and then copy next few regions around the world, its pretty much you use the SOURCE to prove it. Get a grip.

Oh i know that you don't care for law and documents, know that for a long time. Why would a barbarian care for a piece of paper. We are trying to build a civilization and you still use bombs to spread interest, what else to say.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 27.10.2017 at 22:21

Andartes is right about this. Kosovo wasn't some land the serbians stumbled upon but was rather a sacred place they kept and invested in.
All the west clapped their hands when Serbia was bombed despite breaking international laws. Now they are calling the similar bid for independence of Catalonia foul.

Agreed, its a massive hypocrisy.

Kirjoittanut Ghostface, 01.11.2017 at 15:29

Andartes is right about this. Kosovo wasn't some land the serbians stumbled upon but was rather a sacred place they kept and invested in.
All the west clapped their hands when Serbia was bombed despite breaking international laws. Now they are calling the similar bid for independence of Catalonia foul.

He'd be right if he were making a general claim about NATO. Instead he's calling me a hypocrite as if it were my call to bomb Serbia, which as we all know is nonsense as my last name isn't Clinton.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 01.11.2017 at 21:10

Kirjoittanut Ghostface, 01.11.2017 at 15:29

Andartes is right about this. Kosovo wasn't some land the serbians stumbled upon but was rather a sacred place they kept and invested in.
All the west clapped their hands when Serbia was bombed despite breaking international laws. Now they are calling the similar bid for independence of Catalonia foul.

He'd be right if he were making a general claim about NATO. Instead he's calling me a hypocrite as if it were my call to bomb Serbia, which as we all know is nonsense as my last name isn't Clinton.

Why you care?Care less so you give them less cancerous bread for their brains.They are brainwashed...they act like zombies...they are dead inside.Just ignore them and contiune your life.I wish you the best.Have a nice day.

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 30.10.2017 at 14:29

Bottom line: they don't want to be there, let them go. Freedom.

>American Civil War

Kirjoittanut Darth., 02.11.2017 at 09:44

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 30.10.2017 at 14:29

Bottom line: they don't want to be there, let them go. Freedom.

>American Civil War

What about it?

Are you implying that if we accept Self Determination, it could lead to states, like the Confederate States of America, that would repress freedom?
I would answer that yes, it would definitely be a possibility. I don't think I have a say in what people that associated themselves together do with their freedom - unless I am part of their association. (This does not prevent me from strongly disagreeing with it, like in the case of slavery.)

Therefore, to remain coherent, yes, I would definitely have to accept the Confederate States of America's self determination.
However, I would definitely support the slaves' attempt at Self Determination as well

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 02.11.2017 at 14:29

Kirjoittanut Darth., 02.11.2017 at 09:44

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 30.10.2017 at 14:29

Bottom line: they don't want to be there, let them go. Freedom.

>American Civil War

What about it?

Are you implying that if we accept Self Determination, it could lead to states, like the Confederate States of America, that would repress freedom?
I would answer that yes, it would definitely be a possibility. I don't think I have a say in what people that associated themselves together do with their freedom - unless I am part of their association. (This does not prevent me from strongly disagreeing with it, like in the case of slavery.)

Therefore, to remain coherent, yes, I would definitely have to accept the Confederate States of America's self determination.
However, I would definitely support the slaves' attempt at Self Determination as well

dis nigga crazy

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 02.11.2017 at 14:29

Kirjoittanut Darth., 02.11.2017 at 09:44

Kirjoittanut Noir Brillant, 30.10.2017 at 14:29

Bottom line: they don't want to be there, let them go. Freedom.

>American Civil War

What about it?

Are you implying that if we accept Self Determination, it could lead to states, like the Confederate States of America, that would repress freedom?
I would answer that yes, it would definitely be a possibility. I don't think I have a say in what people that associated themselves together do with their freedom - unless I am part of their association. (This does not prevent me from strongly disagreeing with it, like in the case of slavery.)

Therefore, to remain coherent, yes, I would definitely have to accept the Confederate States of America's self determination.
However, I would definitely support the slaves' attempt at Self Determination as well

That's entirely your opinion. But no government likes ceding land, because of the economic, social and political upheaval. If you were in government while a seccessionist movement was ongoing, and you expressed support for the seccessionist's right to self-determination, you'd be branded a traitor. Besides which, if going by your logic, if every secessionist movement in the US was given the choice to form its own government, (ignoring the American Civil War), Alaska, California, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Hawaii, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon, South Carolina, and Vermont would all be separate nations. Not to mention Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UK, Catalonia in Spain, Sicily in Italy etc etc.