Mod clans are bad for atwar

Post acknowledgments:

-Acqui, my "in defense of my friend e-mare" was not by any means satire, I am only guilty of playing with words for my own amusement but what could a man such as myself do when he is faced with the tedious task of defending a dear friend on the forum? i had to reward those few who actually took the time to read my post and what better way than to make my post a wonderful experience.

I am greatly offended by your insult, i come here to do a noble act and yet you accuse me of being a clown, of doing this for selfish reasons, of being intellectually challenge, please tell me what you gain by accusing me of such things? have you not read my post? you could have chosen any of my points and yet you instead choose to attack my credibility, what outcome did you expect from such a horrible thing? perhaps all you care about is derailing my topic in order to protect your friend laochra or your friend desu, excuse me for such a bold claim but what am i supposed to make out of this? You used a cheap fallacy with malice fully intended.

-No goblin, you don't go from topic to topic insulting people because you disagree with them, this is not what normal people do, if you keep offending me because of my beliefs then you are not normal and i am left with no other choice than to assume you are mentally ill.

-Meester, either English is getting in our way or you don't have the proper comprehensive skills to understand my essay. I clearly emphasized the necessity to evaluate the rules and to decide if the rules that e-mare enforces are worthy of following.

The Tactician, how rude from your part to disregard my arguments so easily just because i am unknown, this would be like me holding you accountable for the mutilation of women in the middle east, is that suppose to be satire? i think is not. When you make a claim such as the one you did in your post "some of your reasoning is beyond comprehension" you are obligated to tell us how you got to such a conclusion, This is not the middle east were you just claim the Quran says it and magically your argument becomes true.

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As you can see above, people will go to any length in order to protect their fellow clan mates, here you have it gentlemen:

Acqui is friends and former clanmate of Laochra
Laochra, Desu, Goblin, Bertank, Pulse, Dbacks, The Tactician, Meester are all on the Stalin Martians, This as you can see makes them do nasty things to people who mess with their fellow clan members/friends, clans are a good place to form bonds with people and interact with each other, this leads to group mentality and group mentally can be both: positive and negative.

Here are a few examples of what clans are capable of:

"Evol vs Illyria" drama
"SRB vs mods" drama
"Shadow Shadows vs Baktria" drama
"Mortal Kombat vs mods" drama
"Map makers vs mods" drama
"Srb vs Hdrakon" drama
"stalin martians vs e-mare" drama

we are humans and we are prone to do mistakes, in this case Stalin Martians are guilty of putting their clan before and above the good being of atwar and its community. Let me assure you that i believe that there is nothing wrong with putting friends before strangers but here is the issue:
Pulse,laochra,Meester,Bertank, and Desu are MODS, a mod is suppose to put the good being of the community above all else, after all it's a voluntary job that you took because you wanted to help the community and atwar, if you are no longer capable of doing the job properly then step out and allow somebody that is more capable, competent, and more active than YOU.

Power for sake of power is poison, only a godless, wicked, tyrant would try to hold power to its last breath.





As you can see in the picture above, meester is not capable of reaching out to the community to host a tournament properly, instead he fails to accomplish this simple task. Also i find meester's picture really insulting, not only it is an act of hypocrisy since mods are not suppose to offend anybody, he is using the picture of a girl that he probably found in some degenerated website.

but even if meester wasn't incompetent, how is he going to find map makers to join his tournament when his fellow clan mate Pulse already antagonized them all:





As you can see in the picture above, pulse has his own agenda he is biased when it comes to the ban list, he does anything in his power to restrict it, pulse is to blame for all the topics created by map makers demanding their rights to be respected.



As you can see above, pulse no longer represents neither the community or the admins. I could go on and on, but the point of this topic is not to bash the mods for their incompetence. Instead this topic was created in order to raise awareness that mod clans (in this case Stalin Martians) are dangerous to the community:

Take a look at which clan has its clan members jump into a discussion and suddenly turn hostile towards people who disagree with their clan mates:

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22633&topicsearch=&page=1

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22716

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22547&topicsearch=&page=1

coincidence? i think not.



Pulse, Desu, Bertank, Meester, Laochra…. you gotta go.

- this clan is anything but a one brain mentality, just look at the disagreements on the map maker situation, or you know every time I say something xa

Pulse,laochra,Meester,Bertank, and Desu
- knowing these guys, I assure you that all of them have their own sometimes very strong opinions, the only thing that makes them similar is that all of them without question stand by their own opinion. You mention pulse as 'having his own agenda' - agenda or opinion? Remember that mods are players and are entitled to their own opinion on any given subject, just like you are sharing your opinion on this topic mods too are free to share their own.


You don't know what happens behind the scenes, neither do I, but to assume these players should relinquish their positions due to inactivity is foolish. All of these players have been a part of the community for a long time and added things for the benefit of the community - that should not be forgotten.

I really am struggling to see the logic in this thread or huge problem that has made you post it

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

- this clan is anything but a one brain mentality, just look at the disagreements on the map maker situation, or you know every time I say something xa

Pulse,laochra,Meester,Bertank, and Desu
- knowing these guys, I assure you that all of them have their own sometimes very strong opinions, the only thing that makes them similar is that all of them without question stand by their own opinion. You mention pulse as 'having his own agenda' - agenda or opinion? Remember that mods are players and are entitled to their own opinion on any given subject, just like you are sharing your opinion on this topic mods too are free to share their own.

You don't know what happens behind the scenes, neither do I, but to assume these players should relinquish their positions due to inactivity is foolish. All of these players have been a part of the community for a long time and added things for the benefit of the community - that should not be forgotten.

I really am struggling to see the logic in this thread or huge problem that has made you post it

Since the theme of this thread is these mods I will ask you the following question.
What sort of benefit our community earned from BertanK becoming a mod, or even Desu?
If you don't know what you are talking about, or what is behind the supposed scenes, then sometimes silence is golden.
Let me enlighten you with few facts.
Mod forum is almost dead, why? Because these inactive, incompetent players are still mods.
Community events? Delayed to a point where it's not relevant anymore.
Activity? Almost non exist in game.
They suggest ideas? Barely.
Get rid of all these inactive mods, we have others who can fill their shoes, or maybe even need new bigger shoes to replace these little empty shoes.

Kirjoittanut Abraham, 06.11.2015 at 15:21

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

Since the theme of this thread is these mods I will ask you the following question.
What sort of benefit our community earned from BertanK becoming a mod, or even Desu?
If you don't know what you are talking about, or what is behind the supposed scenes, then sometimes silence is golden.
Let me enlighten you with few facts.
Mod forum is almost dead, why? Because these inactive, incompetent players are still mods.
Community events? Delayed to a point where it's not relevant anymore.
Activity? Almost non exist in game.
They suggest ideas? Barely.
Get rid of all these inactive mods, we have others who can fill their shoes, or maybe even need new bigger shoes to replace these little empty shoes.

Desu imo has been been adding sensible logical arguments to threads, sure mainly with regards to 'competitive' ideas but still I would rather have a thought through approach with less replies to topics than a person who constantly replies but has no substance.Personally I never thought Bert should be a mod (further proof we aren't a one brain clan btw) but he is and I stand by the statement that his opinions are his own.

How would you know, not being a mod, know what happens in mod forum? Is there something you fail to tell us. Perhaps you have access when you shouldn't?

The community events are still made, it takes involvement as well as creation.

Where are the mods that you don't mention in the activity stakes, the ones mentioned in this thread are actually the most active.

Your last statement I totally disagree with, if you can name me any players that would be better than the current moderators then I might agree with you

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

I really am struggling to see the logic in this thread or huge problem that has made you post it

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

- this clan is anything but a one brain mentality, just look at the disagreements on the map maker situation, or you know every time I say something xa

I was there, and let me tell you that if it was for me, i would have your entire clan banned from ever posting in map making related topics (sorry helly, you go under the bus too)

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

Pulse,laochra,Meester,Bertank, and Desu
- knowing these guys, I assure you that all of them have their own sometimes very strong opinions, the only thing that makes them similar is that all of them without question stand by their own opinion.

they could have their own opinions, but they will protect their mods even if they know they are wrong.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

You mention pulse as 'having his own agenda' - agenda or opinion? Remember that mods are players and are entitled to their own opinion on any given subject, just like you are sharing your opinion on this topic mods too are free to share their own.

pulse is a judge in the ban appeals topic, a judge can't have prejudice, its not right. Pulse should step out of his position as he is biased and incompetent.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

You don't know what happens behind the scenes, neither do I, but to assume these players should relinquish their positions due to inactivity is foolish. All of these players have been a part of the community for a long time and added things for the benefit of the community - that should not be forgotten.

so has e-mare, yet your clan seems eager to remove him from modship.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

I really am struggling to see the logic in this thread or huge problem that has made you post it

well, you are a member of the clan in question, of course you are going to put your friends in good light.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:32

Desu imo has been been adding sensible logical arguments to threads, sure mainly with regards to 'competitive' ideas but still I would rather have a thought through approach with less replies to topics than a person who constantly replies but has no substance.Personally I never thought Bert should be a mod (further proof we aren't a one brain clan btw) but he is and I stand by the statement that his opinions are his own.
How would you know, not being a mod, know what happens in mod forum? Is there something you fail to tell us. Perhaps you have access when you shouldn't?
The community events are still made, it takes involvement as well as creation.
Where are the mods that you don't mention in the activity stakes, the ones mentioned in this thread are actually the most active.
Your last statement I totally disagree with, if you can name me any players that would be better than the current moderators then I might agree with you

It's your opinion, but being sensible on 1 topic, but barely paying attention to others, on top of it inactive means it's beneficial to this game? It really makes no sense.
In regard to how I know these informations, it's nothing that you have to know. The people who should know it, already know it.
There isn't many choices to pick from, but finding 4 who are active, and who could fit the role isn't difficult, and can be sufficient enough to make atWar gaming experience better to all of us. If we have more activity it means more things for mods to work on for the benefit of this community. They can set up all sorts of events with higher frequency, like the one Meester hosted "aW story contest", and events like "aW quiz" by yourself and Croat.
And I agree, Laochra, and Meester are somewhat active. But the rest? No.

I was there, and let me tell you that if it was for me, i would have your entire clan banned from ever posting in map making related topics (sorry helly, you go under the bus too)

For what reason are we not entitled to an opinion? Because we are not map makers? Helly, Skittz, Meester, Fock, Desu, Goblin and I have all made maps and by definition are map makers. Or are map makers or even non map makers only allowed to post on thread if supporting a common consensus? (which is what this thread is against)


they could have their own opinions, but they will protect their mods even if they know they are wrong.

I disagree - as I said my own experience of the mentioned people is that they are all capable of forming their own opinions.


pulse is a judge in the ban appeals topic, a judge can't have prejudice, its not right. Pulse should step out of his position as he is biased and incompetent.

Judges are biased, hence why different verdicts can be given for similare misdemeaners (just ask any mod that has banned someone then been challenged)


so has e-mare, yet your clan seems eager to remove him from modship.

'Your clan' - let me reiterate we are individuals and capable of our own opinions and thoughts. I personally couldnt give a damn if this guy is a mod or not.


well, you are a member of the clan in question, of course you are going to put your friends in good light.

Sure thats why I have disagreed with members of my clan publically on many many occasions

Kirjoittanut Abraham, 06.11.2015 at 15:53

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:32

It's your opinion, but being sensible on 1 topic, but barely paying attention to others, on top of it inactive means it's beneficial to this game? It really makes no sense.
In regard to how I know these informations, it's nothing that you have to know. The people who should know it, already know it.
There isn't many choices to pick from, but finding 4 who are active, and who could fit the role isn't difficult, and can be sufficient enough to make atWar gaming experience better to all of us. If we have more activity it means more things for mods to work on for the benefit of this community. They can set up all sorts of events with higher frequency, like the one Meester hosted "aW story contest", and events like "aW quiz" by yourself and Croat.
And I agree, Laochra, and Meester are somewhat active. But the rest? No.

Yes in regards to Desu I think that having 4 + years of input in the game is beneficial to the community.

It is important how you have an insight into the mods forums, the only way this could be happening is if you have access to a moderators account details, this imo if it is the case is a serious incompetence on the part of the moderator who provided it to you. So again, how do you now what is on their forums or are you just speculating? if it is the former then that moderator should be removed.

I have no problem with making people moderators if they are sound of mind and beneficial to the community, as you said though there really are no players that jump to mind.

Kirjoittanut UnIeashed, 06.11.2015 at 14:33

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so I'll just make excuses out of my schizophrenic mind.

Shut up and leave my clan members alone, you big bad bully.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:17

Kirjoittanut Abraham, 06.11.2015 at 15:53

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:32

It's your opinion, but being sensible on 1 topic, but barely paying attention to others, on top of it inactive means it's beneficial to this game? It really makes no sense.
In regard to how I know these informations, it's nothing that you have to know. The people who should know it, already know it.
There isn't many choices to pick from, but finding 4 who are active, and who could fit the role isn't difficult, and can be sufficient enough to make atWar gaming experience better to all of us. If we have more activity it means more things for mods to work on for the benefit of this community. They can set up all sorts of events with higher frequency, like the one Meester hosted "aW story contest", and events like "aW quiz" by yourself and Croat.
And I agree, Laochra, and Meester are somewhat active. But the rest? No.

Yes in regards to Desu I think that having 4 + years of input in the game is beneficial to the community.
It is important how you have an insight into the mods forums, the only way this could be happening is if you have access to a moderators account details, this imo if it is the case is a serious incompetence on the part of the moderator who provided it to you. So again, how do you now what is on their forums or are you just speculating? if it is the former then that moderator should be removed.
I have no problem with making people moderators if they are sound of mind and beneficial to the community, as you said though there really are no players that jump to mind.

4 years of experience, experience of inactivity? What this game needs is mods who help it flourish, and not mods who has "experience" in topic related to small part of its community.
And like I wrote the admins know (excluding Sun Tzu), and I don't have to provide you with information that I do not want to provide. So stop asking this question, I'm not intending to to reply to it again.

Kirjoittanut Abraham, 06.11.2015 at 16:26

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:17

Kirjoittanut Abraham, 06.11.2015 at 15:53

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:32

It's your opinion, but being sensible on 1 topic, but barely paying attention to others, on top of it inactive means it's beneficial to this game? It really makes no sense.
In regard to how I know these informations, it's nothing that you have to know. The people who should know it, already know it.
There isn't many choices to pick from, but finding 4 who are active, and who could fit the role isn't difficult, and can be sufficient enough to make atWar gaming experience better to all of us. If we have more activity it means more things for mods to work on for the benefit of this community. They can set up all sorts of events with higher frequency, like the one Meester hosted "aW story contest", and events like "aW quiz" by yourself and Croat.
And I agree, Laochra, and Meester are somewhat active. But the rest? No.

Yes in regards to Desu I think that having 4 + years of input in the game is beneficial to the community.
It is important how you have an insight into the mods forums, the only way this could be happening is if you have access to a moderators account details, this imo if it is the case is a serious incompetence on the part of the moderator who provided it to you. So again, how do you now what is on their forums or are you just speculating? if it is the former then that moderator should be removed.
I have no problem with making people moderators if they are sound of mind and beneficial to the community, as you said though there really are no players that jump to mind.

4 years of experience, experience of inactivity? What this game needs is mods who help it flourish, and not mods who has "experience" in topic related to small part of its community.
And like I wrote the admins know (excluding Sun Tzu), and I don't have to provide you with information that I do not want to provide. So stop asking this question, I'm not intending to to reply to it again.

This is why we need Nero for mod, he will solve our problems.

Helly is in the so called "mod clan" but yet the screen shots you used as evidence came directly from me :/ the mods try to do good. They just fuck up alot. Just like you or me.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:09

For what reason are we not entitled to an opinion? Because we are not map makers? Helly, Skittz, Meester, Fock, Desu, Goblin and I have all made maps and by definition are map makers. Or are map makers or even non map makers only allowed to post on thread if supporting a common consensus? (which is what this thread is against)

so if a RP player were to play a single clan war, would that make him a competitive player? your clan is the worst thing that could have happened to content creators.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:09

I disagree - as I said my own experience of the mentioned people is that they are all capable of forming their own opinions.

The evidence is in zatara's post and any person is free to judge it on their own.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:09

Judges are biased, hence why different verdicts can be given for similare misdemeaners (just ask any mod that has banned someone then been challenged)

so you agree that other mod besides pulse should handle the ban list appeal topic?

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:09

'Your clan' - let me reiterate we are individuals and capable of our own opinions and thoughts. I personally couldnt give a damn if this guy is a mod or not.

good for you, but i can't say the same for the rest of your clan

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:09

Sure thats why I have disagreed with members of my clan publically on many many occasions[/b]

is not the same thing when stranger disagrees with them, you are here defending them because they are your clan and your friends not because you honestly think they are right.

Lainaa:

Lainaa:

4 years of experience, experience of inactivity? What this game needs is mods who help it flourish, and not mods who has "experience" in topic related to small part of its community.
And like I wrote the admins know (excluding Sun Tzu), and I don't have to provide you with information that I do not want to provide. So stop asking this question, I'm not intending to to reply to it again.

I don't understand the defensive tone, it is a legitimate question, your defensiveness is reinforcing to me that something foul is at play here .

If you have access to the moderator forum and the admins are aware of this fact, then why are you not a moderator? Surely if you are privy to such information then you are fit to moderate and should be a member of the moderator team?

Which leads me to the conclusion that You are either A) Lying B) Have access to something you should not or C) That my original query is correct.
You are one of the most vocal people asking for more clarity in the game, yet you cant answer this simple question regarding your status within it, this is called hypocrisy .

And yes I think that player who have been part of the community since the very beginning are well placed to moderate it, despite periods of inactivity - I dont see caulerpra's name mentioned anywhere for example, but don't question his credentials as a moderator.

So if a RP player were to play a single clan war, would that make him a competitive player? your clan is the worst thing that could have happened to content creators.

Yes it would in my own personal opinion. Justify your second statement, like it or not we are also content creators


The evidence is in zatara's post and any person is free to judge it on their own.

I agree and there is my opinion as an individual to add to the debate


so you agree that other mod besides pulse should handle the ban list appeal topic?

Yes I think that all mods including pulse should handle banlist appeals


good for you, but i can't say the same for the rest of your clan

And the evidence suggests that this is not 'my clan' vs emare but a lot of individuals vs emare


is not the same thing when stranger disagrees with them, you are here defending them because they are your clan and your friends not because you honestly think they are right.


No tunder, if I disagree with someones opinion I disagree with their opinion, who they are or what clan they are in has no relevance or influence on my opinion. Of course being the leader of this clan means I can influence what type of people I want in it but I still am very capable of forming my own opinions on matters thanks.

>Syndicate not mentioned
>We are no longer drama clan



''Case closed''

Mods clan are overrated.

Ahhh atwar politics...

Time to make me a mod. I will lead atWar to Success!

>post agknowledgments
>proceeds with a tirade of condescending garbage against anyone who disagrees with him.

"I come here to do a noble act", "the proper comprehensive skills to understand my essay", random comparison to genital mutilation in the middle east?!?! You sound like a 13 year old trying to be intellectual and edgy. The irony is that you speak the loudest despite really not having a clue.

Lainaa:

Lainaa:

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:41

4 years of experience, experience of inactivity? What this game needs is mods who help it flourish, and not mods who has "experience" in topic related to small part of its community.
And like I wrote the admins know (excluding Sun Tzu), and I don't have to provide you with information that I do not want to provide. So stop asking this question, I'm not intending to to reply to it again.

I don't understand the defensive tone, it is a legitimate question, your defensiveness is reinforcing to me that something foul is at play here .

If you have access to the moderator forum and the admins are aware of this fact, then why are you not a moderator? Surely if you are privy to such information then you are fit to moderate and should be a member of the moderator team?

Which leads me to the conclusion that You are either A) Lying B) Have access to something you should not or C) That my original query is correct.
You are one of the most vocal people asking for more clarity in the game, yet you cant answer this simple question regarding your status within it, this is called hypocrisy .

And yes I think that player who have been part of the community since the very beginning are well placed to moderate it, despite periods of inactivity - I dont see caulerpra's name mentioned anywhere for example, but don't question his credentials as a moderator.

When I asked for clarity? I think you're confusing me with others.
Either way even if a regular player wanted transparency from mod actions, how it can be applied on him as well?
If he choose not to answer your question, how it makes this person hypocrite?
You aren't supposed to know.
I also don't owe you explanation.
The same as I don't owe explanation to mods who may ask, the admins know that's enough.
You can take my word as it is. Or assume it is speculations, or lies, or whatever you find comfortable. I don't really care.


Doesn't need to point out the obvious, Caulerpa, Hugosch, and few others needs to be replaced as well.
Despite some of these players that are mentioned here, are a lot more active to certain extent than sificvoid, Hugosch, Madara etc. Their recent (for some longer than that) contributions for this game is almost on the same level of these inactive players.
Take Acquiesce for example, a former mod who did what most of our inactive mods aren't even planning to do. He stepped down when he knew he couldn't spend time, or contribute anymore. In his place an active player became mod, he proposed, and made several changes with intention for our community overall enjoyment. Which is what should happen, instead of lazy, selfish, incompetent, indifferent, and inactive players who choose to remain mods, even though they are close to useless.

Kirjoittanut Columna Durruti, 12.05.2013 at 12:45

Caul,

02.
If it is true what you are saying, and I believe it is, you should consider renouncing to your MOD position. AW cannot have more inacitive MODs; there are sufficient MODs that havn't played their role lately. Inactive MODs just should follow the example of Pinheiro: ¡abdicate of privileges and retire!

In solidarity with the issues at stake,
CD

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=8109&topicsearch=&page=1

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 16:53

is not the same thing when stranger disagrees with them, you are here defending them because they are your clan and your friends not because you honestly think they are right.


No tunder, if I disagree with someones opinion I disagree with their opinion, who they are or what clan they are in has no relevance or influence on my opinion. Of course being the leader of this clan means I can influence what type of people I want in it but I still am very capable of forming my own opinions on matters thanks.

Bonkz is besides you the person who disagrees with me most ;-; stubborn drunk Englishmen!

Tl;dr

Pro-tip: be concise with your message. Perhaps add an introduction if you are writing an essay, or an abstract if you are writing for a journal.

Kirjoittanut UnIeashed, 06.11.2015 at 14:33

The Tactician, how rude from your part to disregard my arguments so easily just because i am unknown, this would be like me holding you accountable for the mutilation of women in the middle east, is that suppose to be satire? i think is not. When you make a claim such as the one you did in your post "some of your reasoning is beyond comprehension" you are obligated to tell us how you got to such a conclusion, This is not the middle east were you just claim the Quran says it and magically your argument becomes true.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 23:12

Kirjoittanut UnIeashed, 05.11.2015 at 21:56

As you can see in 1.1, questioning e-mare is already against the rules, you should be glad he hasn't punish you for questioning his fair judgment, yet you take the liberty to defame him.

I honestly can't tell if this thread is satire or not. I'm going to assume you aren't really this brainless and say yes.

Was gonna say exactly this, some of your reasoning is beyond comprehension. Not talking about the topic itself, but the way you presented your arguments reek troll.

lol just saw this:

Kirjoittanut UnIeashed, 05.11.2015 at 21:56

then you won't get far in this new community free of trolls and rule breakers.

This is my former quote, and it was pretty self explanatory; I think most people who saw the thread went ''what the...'' I'll humor you though...

You presented your arguments in a very black and white manner. A very childish one too. You can see the one I quoted Acqui in is lacking not only proper reasoning (what you did was bring the most vague terms and say ''you're lucky you aren't banned'') but some actual realness.

''As you can see in 2.1, making somebody feel bad is against the rules, just think about it for a moment how many times you judge e-mare's actions and how he could potentially feel. Be glad he hasn't banned you yet, and if he did then you are out of luck since all he is doing is following the rules that other mods wrote.''

>Making someone feel bad is against the rules.
>You just made me feel bad mighty Zatara, please ban Zatara!
Please, get real. That way you'd have anybody who beats someone else in a game banned because they make them ''feel bad''.

''As you can see in 3.3, (for those who are illiterate) the word pillory is when you attack somebody personally, i have seen you post bad things about not only e-mare but other players as well, yet mods don't do anything about it. Calling Tito a idiot is pillory.''

You just called me a Middle Easterner who uses the Quran to justify whatever they want. That isn't pillory? Hypocrite. Besides the enforcement of rules is always a case by case basis and these rules are merely a guideline for how mods should act.

Now let's get back to your childish arguments.





''Being rude is not nice''. Other than the fact of you insulting me and being rude -being a hypocrite yet again- These pictures just make me laugh. Yes, being rude is not nice, but when trying (and miserably failing) to make an argument you shouldn't red-out a picture and type (mind you with that font you used) ''being rude is not nice''. You sir, are not nice.

Of course you attack my religion. Why wouldn't you. I mean; this isn't a world of free beliefs where people can interact amongst each other uninterrupted because of personal belief, but this is AtWar! How can I even claim such a thing.

You're just afraid by how strong and influential SM is. I wouldn't blame you; we have great and intelligent players.

I didn't disregard your arguments because you're unknown, you're very much known , but I disregarded them because they lack the proper logic to be considered.

Also, when I can't decide whether a thread is troll or stupid I don't need to justify anything to you. Your fault for being so erm lacking the correct brain function to phrase an argument in a way people actually consider it.

You attack my religion, you attack my clan, you attack my friends, and you attack me. Now don't be so shocked and cry because of the response you got.

PS: I've disagreed with many of my clan members on matters in the forum and SM doesn't defend it's members for the sake of it. We defend ourselves when we're right. I've had many forum spats with Goblin and everyone has their own opinion. We disagree with each other anytime there is actual disagreement. Because we are actual people with critical thinking brains. Again, you're just scared.

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 06.11.2015 at 15:51

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

- this clan is anything but a one brain mentality, just look at the disagreements on the map maker situation, or you know every time I say something xa

I was there, and let me tell you that if it was for me, i would have your entire clan banned from ever posting in map making related topics (sorry helly, you go under the bus too)

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

Pulse,laochra,Meester,Bertank, and Desu
- knowing these guys, I assure you that all of them have their own sometimes very strong opinions, the only thing that makes them similar is that all of them without question stand by their own opinion.

they could have their own opinions, but they will protect their mods even if they know they are wrong.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

You mention pulse as 'having his own agenda' - agenda or opinion? Remember that mods are players and are entitled to their own opinion on any given subject, just like you are sharing your opinion on this topic mods too are free to share their own.

pulse is a judge in the ban appeals topic, a judge can't have prejudice, its not right. Pulse should step out of his position as he is biased and incompetent.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

You don't know what happens behind the scenes, neither do I, but to assume these players should relinquish their positions due to inactivity is foolish. All of these players have been a part of the community for a long time and added things for the benefit of the community - that should not be forgotten.

so has e-mare, yet your clan seems eager to remove him from modship.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 06.11.2015 at 15:04

I really am struggling to see the logic in this thread or huge problem that has made you post it

well, you are a member of the clan in question, of course you are going to put your friends in good light.

>woul ban me from talking about maps.
> Only reason your not picking oranges while pulse's, GGG by old banned player, isn't the the number one rp map on aw.

5/5 trolling. A+ for effort.

Locked.

If the op has an issue with this and can convince me this thread should remain open he can contact me.