Turn 1 Wallblocking(some say wf)

Kirjoittanut lOrd pOnteZ, 01.03.2014 at 13:58

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 13:53

Kirjoittanut lOrd pOnteZ, 01.03.2014 at 13:48

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 13:01

Kirjoittanut Trooper21, 01.03.2014 at 12:58

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 12:53

I dont care who wins or lose is just a game.This i care is to play right and no dirty like madara does

Silly child, he wasn't playing dirty at all. He was expanding to take Belarus, we all know Madara well he's not the type to wf and take the cap the turn after.

Want to know what I really think? I think Richtofen knew he wasn't going to win the cw anyway and was looking for a cheap excuse to leave the game early. No other sensibleplayer would of left. I think everyone else will agree with me on this one too.

Lol you dont show it i was france and taked from spain italy,germany expnsion good,uk had just belgium and nl,rich dont fail had rc rs rwn finalnd 2 cities and poland

first learn properly how to play this game, then share your thoeries, untill then shut up and listen becuase is the only smart thing that can come out of you, no one supports you and buddy richtofen, besides friends your clan memebrs of urs. madara is well knowen on this comunity, and isnt for playing dirty, is exactly the oposite, he has spoten many irregularies, people ghosting and he is verry competent in what he does, thats acidentelly, as other could have been, but madara is one of the last players that will cheat to win a game, and you and richtofen together dont have half of is knowledge or skill or experience so just end this conversation for you own good, by carrying on arguing you just proving how inocent your knowldge is about this game.

Pontez i am saying for this game like madara act:wf to take belarus(a not major country-someone can say it no point to take it) and just rich fells he has the right to leave.He dont even cared if we will win or lose cw when he had been wfed he just dont like people who play dirty(madara saied is 4th time at cw he wfs).

good players dont ragequit, he has no reason for leaving the game, he is a kid, thats all bro quit this argument, you gonna get the intire at war comunity against you, when ppl wg do you also leave the game?? if you dc do you also leave the game?? if ur moves dont go threw one turn do you ragequit like that?? because those are reasons much worst and those can actually make you lose a game, more then this acidental wf that happend on the cw, so quit it bro, quit it!

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 14:01

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 13:59

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 01.03.2014 at 13:57

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 13:49

It's a move nonetheless. The argument that Madara did not take advantage of the wf has been said, but I want to reiterate that point. He not only said this, but kept his word. There is no problem here accept the fact that Rich left. If anything, Titan's Creed should have won, because although there had been a wf, it did not affect the actual game (except Rich's abandoning his team, which was his own folly). But Madara, being the wise and generous person he is, tied the game so that the game would be null and void. If anything, this argument is pointless, because the clanwar in question had no repercussions on anyone whatsoever except on Madara. The one reason he should get this much grief is if he had taken Kiev turn 2, which did not happen.

Did you even watch that CW?

Please dont defend your clan mate ...and learn how to take bela without fucking goin in your enemy teritory ...fuckin noobs.

Golbin right but remove noob,they narbs and need to learn the right way of play not the dirty way

Do you even know atwar rules?
He did wallf, but he said he would not and did not take Kiev. I don't see any problem.
Also, please learn English before commenting in the atwar forums. ^_^

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:05

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 14:01

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 13:59

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 01.03.2014 at 13:57

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 13:49

It's a move nonetheless. The argument that Madara did not take advantage of the wf has been said, but I want to reiterate that point. He not only said this, but kept his word. There is no problem here accept the fact that Rich left. If anything, Titan's Creed should have won, because although there had been a wf, it did not affect the actual game (except Rich's abandoning his team, which was his own folly). But Madara, being the wise and generous person he is, tied the game so that the game would be null and void. If anything, this argument is pointless, because the clanwar in question had no repercussions on anyone whatsoever except on Madara. The one reason he should get this much grief is if he had taken Kiev turn 2, which did not happen.

Did you even watch that CW?

Please dont defend your clan mate ...and learn how to take bela without fucking goin in your enemy teritory ...fuckin noobs.

Golbin right but remove noob,they narbs and need to learn the right way of play not the dirty way

Do you even know atwar rules?
He did wallf, but he said he would not and did not take Kiev. I don't see any problem.
Also, please learn English before commenting in the atwar forums. ^_^

There dont excist AW rules.Is just that madara from a right and good player with his move that he could havent wf became a dirty player to my eyes and some other players

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 14:08

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:05

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 14:01

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 13:59

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 01.03.2014 at 13:57

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 13:49

It's a move nonetheless. The argument that Madara did not take advantage of the wf has been said, but I want to reiterate that point. He not only said this, but kept his word. There is no problem here accept the fact that Rich left. If anything, Titan's Creed should have won, because although there had been a wf, it did not affect the actual game (except Rich's abandoning his team, which was his own folly). But Madara, being the wise and generous person he is, tied the game so that the game would be null and void. If anything, this argument is pointless, because the clanwar in question had no repercussions on anyone whatsoever except on Madara. The one reason he should get this much grief is if he had taken Kiev turn 2, which did not happen.

Did you even watch that CW?

Please dont defend your clan mate ...and learn how to take bela without fucking goin in your enemy teritory ...fuckin noobs.

Golbin right but remove noob,they narbs and need to learn the right way of play not the dirty way

Do you even know atwar rules?
He did wallf, but he said he would not and did not take Kiev. I don't see any problem.
Also, please learn English before commenting in the atwar forums. ^_^

There dont excist AW rules.Is just that madara from a right and good player with his move that he could havent wf became a dirty player to my eyes and some other players

I respect you opinion, but if Madara was a dirty player, he would have capped Kiev turn 2, and won the cw, but none of this happened. Again, this whole argument has no point, because no one got the win, and no one got a loss.

Kirjoittanut Milkyy, 01.03.2014 at 14:11

This thread is stupid. There's no "accidental wf" when the player put the unit there. It's only accidental when aw fucks up and puts the unit there for no reason. Madara shouldn't have left the AT there. The agreement has always been that no unit in enemy territory first turn.

Leaving the game is the pleyer's choice. I personally would have just kept on playing because I know madara wouldn't attack. But it still is wrong to put unit in enemy territory. There should be no discussion here. what's been done is done and you can't reverse the outcome.

And madara, it is no excuse to say 'it has never resulTed in commotion before'. That's stupid and cheap. Most people don't react much because they can't change the fact that their wall is wf'd. Plus it's only usually done in a 3v3 (not cw). So it doesn't matter so much.

Seriously this is just stupid. People whining like little babies. Madara, just accept that you were wrong and jugers just accept the loss. Only thing to do is to tell the person at fault to not do it again. If they don't say ok, just don't cw with that clan or against that person.

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:14

I argue here all day for only one thing:
MADARA SAYING:OK I KNOW IS MY FAULT I AM SORRY FOR THE WF I COULD HAVENT DONE IT.

Kirjoittanut Trooper21, 01.03.2014 at 14:17

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:14

I argue here all day for only one thing:
MADARA SAYING:OK I KNOW IS MY FAULT I AM SORRY FOR THE WF I COULD HAVENT DONE IT.

I think we need to sort out the difference between a WF and placing an AT to near cap to attack a country above it. WF is intentional and the other... well that's kinda self explanatory I guess.

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:18

See golbin pic.He could havent done it

Kirjoittanut Trooper21, 01.03.2014 at 14:20

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 01.03.2014 at 14:18

See golbin pic.He could havent done it

You're starting to annoy me now, mate. I'm not defending Madara, I'm saying we need to define a difference between the two of WFing and placing an AT near a cap to attack a country above.

I saw Gobs post and quoted it.

Kirjoittanut Underlingz, 01.03.2014 at 14:33

I didn't see the CW but imo, if there are already known rules/guidelines against units in enemy territory 1st turn, then it simply shouldn't have happened.

Kirjoittanut Grimm, 01.03.2014 at 16:37

If we keep adding rules for competitive games, very soon it will be confusing for new players. No WF 1st turn (I'm OK with this), no moving units in enemy territory, no leaving units close enough to enemy territory to cause WF, no rewalling/WG, no serbian rewalling, ... At what point does it become too much?

Can't we just agree on a rule to not to attack the opponent's cap on turn 2? Wouldn't that be more simple?

Kirjoittanut Racoonshot, 01.03.2014 at 18:39

Kirjoittanut Grimm, 01.03.2014 at 16:37

If we keep adding rules for competitive games, very soon it will be confusing for new players. No WF 1st turn (I'm OK with this), no moving units in enemy territory, no leaving units close enough to enemy territory to cause WF, no rewalling/WG, no serbian rewalling, ... At what point does it become too much?

Can't we just agree on a rule to not to attack the opponent's cap on turn 2? Wouldn't that be more simple?

What is Serbian rewalling?

Kirjoittanut Madara, 01.03.2014 at 13:08

The expansion I used has been used many many times before with an AT left in UKR and with no dilemma. It's normal. Rich has seen this expansion before from other players and I know he's seen 1st wf before in CW. I didn't apologize for my mistake because there was a mutual understanding that wallfucking Kiev wasn't my intention. Therefore an apology shouldn't have made a difference. But, the only person who didn't tap into that understanding was Richthofen who acted out of rage. The last time I saw a situation like this the victim coalition's player left and then the other coalition fought 2v3 until they won. Ironically enough, the viewers felt that the outcome was fair and that there was nothing wrong with the 3v2. Rich's foolishness almost cost him the CW that TC shouldn't have had to tie due to his recklessness.

I didn't leave until about turn 9 because I wanted Germany to tie with me in the match so it wouldn't affect my CW record. I didn't make any moves after turn 3 except for opening Ankara. Unfortunately, the ignorance of a certain few who were viewing forced me to surrender.



@trinig - That rule you speak of was made by me. It's simply to prevent people from walling another players city first turn. Which I've sadly seen in the 1st Mid rank tourney and had to implement the rule thereafter. I used the expansion with the AT in Ukr because it's never been a big deal before whatsoever.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 01.03.2014 at 18:48

Kirjoittanut Grimm, 01.03.2014 at 16:37

If we keep adding rules for competitive games, very soon it will be confusing for new players. No WF 1st turn (I'm OK with this), no moving units in enemy territory, no leaving units close enough to enemy territory to cause WF, no rewalling/WG, no serbian rewalling, ... At what point does it become too much?

Can't we just agree on a rule to not to attack the opponent's cap on turn 2? Wouldn't that be more simple?

At what point did you decide that 1st turn wf is the only bullshit move that shouldnt be done?

What would be even more simple is ...dont wf your opponent 1st turn, and thats pretty damn simple.

btw. damn tired of you mentioning serbian rewalling and wg ...you cant be against 1st turn wf while supporting other bullshit moves, you cant decide what rule is fine and what is not in a way it suits you.

And yet again for the 100 time i repeat ...not a single damn thing you have listed is not a skill.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 01.03.2014 at 13:07

1. if madara cant take belarus without invading ukraine's teritory he shouldnt do it ...taking belarus doesnt count for shit if his AT is next to kiev.

2. bla bla ukraine left bla bla they could have agreed, ofc no attack on kiev, bla bla ...LOOK AT 1.

3. madara's acting after ukraine left was ...well disapointing for someone who has POTY award

4. if there were no spectators and everyone shouting to leave the game and draw ...hm who knows what would happened

LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID
LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID
LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID
LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID
LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID
LOOK AT NUMBER 1 THING I SAID

Kirjoittanut Milkyy, 01.03.2014 at 14:11

This thread is stupid. There's no "accidental wf" when the player put the unit there. It's only accidental when aw fucks up and puts the unit there for no reason. Madara shouldn't have left the AT there. The agreement has always been that no unit in enemy territory first turn.

Leaving the game is the pleyer's choice. I personally would have just kept on playing because I know madara wouldn't attack. But it still is wrong to put unit in enemy territory. There should be no discussion here. what's been done is done and you can't reverse the outcome.

And madara, it is no excuse to say 'it has never resulTed in commotion before'. That's stupid and cheap. Most people don't react much because they can't change the fact that their wall is wf'd. Plus it's only usually done in a 3v3 (not cw). So it doesn't matter so much.

Seriously this is just stupid. People whining like little babies. Madara, just accept that you were wrong and jugers just accept the loss. Only thing to do is to tell the person at fault to not do it again. If they don't say ok, just don't cw with that clan or against that person.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 03:48

or your ally rewalling for you

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 05:00

Kirjoittanut Thunderballs, 02.03.2014 at 04:55

Didn't know that was verboten. I have seen it done and thought it was a good move.

I know, but when you think about it ...what is the difference of you rewalling yourself and someone doin it for you. Thats why i dont call it wg anymore, you dont have to actually change units of your wall, you dont have to move them actually ...just put 3 new units in a triangle position next to your city and when your opponent attacks breaks 1 wall another will be there, because your unit is there.

Kirjoittanut The Tactician, 02.03.2014 at 08:01

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 05:00

Kirjoittanut Thunderballs, 02.03.2014 at 04:55

Didn't know that was verboten. I have seen it done and thought it was a good move.

I know, but when you think about it ...what is the difference of you rewalling yourself and someone doin it for you. Thats why i dont call it wg anymore, you dont have to actually change units of your wall, you dont have to move them actually ...just put 3 new units in a triangle position next to your city and when your opponent attacks breaks 1 wall another will be there, because your unit is there.

I thought that was a good move too :/

Anyway this thread is extremely unneeded just don't place ATs near peoples caps every time... Once unintentionally is ok but don't do it repeatedly as an expansion move.

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 02.03.2014 at 12:38

Kirjoittanut The Tactician, 02.03.2014 at 08:01

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 05:00

Kirjoittanut Thunderballs, 02.03.2014 at 04:55

Didn't know that was verboten. I have seen it done and thought it was a good move.

I know, but when you think about it ...what is the difference of you rewalling yourself and someone doin it for you. Thats why i dont call it wg anymore, you dont have to actually change units of your wall, you dont have to move them actually ...just put 3 new units in a triangle position next to your city and when your opponent attacks breaks 1 wall another will be there, because your unit is there.

I thought that was a good move too :/

Anyway this thread is extremely unneeded just don't place ATs near peoples caps every time... Once unintentionally is ok but don't do it repeatedly as an expansion move.

He could do the same expansion but this AT could was a little more left.I dont know if he done it knowingly he will wf or if he done it just to wf(have done the same to 4 cws like he saied).

Kirjoittanut bullet86, 02.03.2014 at 13:05

.187 being a couple of jerks over reacting about this? Seriously guys chill. It was an accident. In my opinion, Ukraine used that as an excuse to leave. Maybe he was scared, or had to go and needed an excuse, and he got one.. Because he was assured by Madara that Madara will not do anything to Kiev turn 2. It was a mistake. I suggest similar topics be locked/deleted. No point in this. Madara made a mistake. Get over it guys!

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 03:48

Kirjoittanut Grimm, 01.03.2014 at 23:03

No WF 1st turn is fine. But then there are cases of accidental WF (like when you play with two nearby countries in 5/3K). No capping on turn 2 would be a simple fix. IMO, I don't think there should be any other rules besides the 1st turn WF rule.

What i dont know is why you keep focusing yourself on repeating the words "game mechanics" ...you literaly said that 1000 fuckin times, its like a mantra to you. Just because something can be done in game, doesnt make it right ...like 1st turn wf. And serbian rewalling for example is in the same category of crap IN MY OPINION! WG we already discussed for days and as i said it brings only possible bullshit ...no skill, no strategy, no improvment of gameplay.

And we are not talking about regular games here (i could care less what you do against low ranks in some ordinary game) ...this is about CW's and competitive games and in does there shouldnt be:

- accidental or intentional capital wall fucks 1st turn
- leaving your unit or units in your opponents country first turn
- rewalling or serbian rewalling, or your ally rewalling for you

AND WOW thats it ... 3 little rules, my god can my brain take it...


And to make a grand final conclusion ...Madara had no excuse for his move in this CW. He did what he did knowing he could probably wf his opponent ...he didnt give a shit and relied on a ordinary 3v3 games tradition of everyone continuing playing because nobody gives a shit about some 3v3 game.

This was a CW and a player of his caliber should have known better.

Kirjoittanut Madara, 02.03.2014 at 12:59

Kirjoittanut JUGERS2, 02.03.2014 at 12:38

Kirjoittanut The Tactician, 02.03.2014 at 08:01

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 05:00

Kirjoittanut Thunderballs, 02.03.2014 at 04:55

Didn't know that was verboten. I have seen it done and thought it was a good move.

I know, but when you think about it ...what is the difference of you rewalling yourself and someone doin it for you. Thats why i dont call it wg anymore, you dont have to actually change units of your wall, you dont have to move them actually ...just put 3 new units in a triangle position next to your city and when your opponent attacks breaks 1 wall another will be there, because your unit is there.

I thought that was a good move too :/

Anyway this thread is extremely unneeded just don't place ATs near peoples caps every time... Once unintentionally is ok but don't do it repeatedly as an expansion move.

He could do the same expansion but this AT could was a little more left.I dont know if he done it knowingly he will wf or if he done it just to wf(have done the same to 4 cws like he saied).

I said that it was my 3rd time actually trying the expansion. I said I've seen this happen in at least four other CWs. I've never accidentally wallfucked someone's capitol in a CW before. Please refrain from quoting people.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 13:23

Kirjoittanut Madara, 02.03.2014 at 13:21

That third rule is broken so often in CWs I'm surprised you dare mention it. x3 (MK)

Why the hell shouldnt i mention it ...i never pull any of this crap you and others do. Done discussing this.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 03:48

What i dont know is why you keep focusing yourself on repeating the words "game mechanics" ...you literaly said that 1000 fuckin times, its like a mantra to you.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 02.03.2014 at 03:48

- accidental or intentional capital wall fucks 1st turn
- leaving your unit or units in your opponents country first turn
- rewalling or serbian rewalling, or your ally rewalling for you

Kirjoittanut The Tactician, 02.03.2014 at 08:01

I thought that was a good move too :/

Anyway this thread is extremely unneeded just don't place ATs near peoples caps every time... Once unintentionally is ok but don't do it repeatedly as an expansion move.

Kirjoittanut Milkyy, 01.03.2014 at 14:11

This thread is stupid. There's no "accidental wf" when the player put the unit there. It's only accidental when aw fucks up and puts the unit there for no reason. Madara shouldn't have left the AT there. The agreement has always been that no unit in enemy territory first turn.

Leaving the game is the pleyer's choice. I personally would have just kept on playing because I know madara wouldn't attack. But it still is wrong to put unit in enemy territory. There should be no discussion here. what's been done is done and you can't reverse the outcome.

And madara, it is no excuse to say 'it has never resulTed in commotion before'. That's stupid and cheap. Most people don't react much because they can't change the fact that their wall is wf'd. Plus it's only usually done in a 3v3 (not cw). So it doesn't matter so much.

Seriously this is just stupid. People whining like little babies. Madara, just accept that you were wrong and jugers just accept the loss. Only thing to do is to tell the person at fault to not do it again. If they don't say ok, just don't cw with that clan or against that person.