About moderators and threads deletion.

Just flag any off topic posts, if 2/3 mods agree then remove the post. Threads especially ones with numerous responses should not be deleted though, regardless of personal thoughts by moderators if numerous people have posted then it is important. Hdrakon an Desu posts are spot on.

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 03.11.2015 at 12:41

Just flag any off topic posts, if 2/3 mods agree then remove the post. Threads especially ones with numerous responses should not be deleted though, regardless of personal thoughts by moderators if numerous people have posted then it is important. Hdrakon an Desu posts are spot on.

Nice avatar, upvoted.

No solution that requires admins to change something will be archived in a long time, because they are busy in other stuff. The best we can do atm is to let mods discuss about it, and maybe approve Tact's suggestion (to move threads to modforum instead of delete them).

Additionally they could create a thread to log actions such as deletion, for example.

Of course, if the team as a whole agrees to something, we don't expect an individual mod to disrespect that decision and delete threads again...

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 03.11.2015 at 12:41

Just flag any off topic posts, if 2/3 mods agree then remove the post.

Oh come on bonk... this isnt supreme court decisions level. What if i spam a topic or a few with crap and it takes a few hours for 3 mods to be online

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 03.11.2015 at 13:53

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 03.11.2015 at 12:41

Just flag any off topic posts, if 2/3 mods agree then remove the post.

Oh come on bonk... this isnt supreme court decisions level. What if i spam a topic or a few with crap and it takes a few hours for 3 mods to be online

As Clovis stated, you could merge that with the recycle bin/mod forum idea temporarily till mods decide on it.

Kirjoittanut Goblin, 03.11.2015 at 13:53

Kirjoittanut b0nker2, 03.11.2015 at 12:41

Just flag any off topic posts, if 2/3 mods agree then remove the post.

Oh come on bonk... this isnt supreme court decisions level. What if i spam a topic or a few with crap and it takes a few hours for 3 mods to be online

Majority of forums have a flagging system. Like the upvote sytsem I imagine it wouldn't be too laborious to implement. You can still spam = you have off topic

Comments( 2) that had nothing to do with the topic have been removed. Please stay on topic or get the topic locked and then... complain.

Guys i think we can work all this out, lets just discuss this calmly and work out who the problem is

EDIT: ah silly me... i meant "what the problem is"

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 03.11.2015 at 15:52

Comments( 2) that had nothing to do with the topic have been removed. Please stay on topic or get the topic locked and then... complain.

Why remove the comments? If someone is really shit posting a lot then just ban them from the forum or let the community deal with them. I'd honestly prefer that to having mods just deleting things willy nilly. How can we judge that a comment merited getting deleted if we never see it?

I like how this subject is like discussed for the several years, and exactly the people who supported the ''mod'' sides are now against it, I guess people finally been through the things others did years ago lel, hypocrisy at its best!

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 03.11.2015 at 19:40

Why remove the comments? If someone is really shit posting a lot then just ban them from the forum or let the community deal with them. I'd honestly prefer that to having mods just deleting things willy nilly. How can we judge that a comment merited getting deleted if we never see it?

a) Because they have nothing to do with the topic and that's called derailing it.
You should have known that by now .


b) "Let the community deal with them."

You mean replies that have to do with the irrelevant post turning the topic into an even bigger mess than it already 'is'?

c) You can by seeing a screenshot of it.

Edit: Also, I won't bother to reply here anymore, as discussing the matter isn't the point of this topic. If you like, we could continue, but instead in PM.

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 06:05

a) Because they have nothing to do with the topic and that's called derailing it.
You should have known that by now .

Except I'm confident they did have something to do with the topic otherwise people wouldn't have posted them, but I suppose we can never know that now can we? Just because I don't agree with your action doesn't mean I should be talked down to .There's nothing in the job description for mod that says you need to idiot proof the forums.

b) "Let the community deal with them."
You mean replies that have to do with the irrelevant post turning the topic into an even bigger mess than it already 'is'?

No, I mean let the community criticize those who shitpost. This is what has happened to Andertes as well as Waffel and Clovis in the past. People's posts are judged for their quality.

c) You can by seeing a screenshot of it.
Edit: Also, I won't bother to reply here anymore, as discussing the matter isn't the point of this topic. If you like, we could continue, but instead in PM.

Are you implying you take and save a screenshot of every comment you delete? More importantly how is this matter not the point of the topic? Look at the title the topic is literally about mod action (you are a mod) and data deletion (you deleted data). This conversation could not be anymore on topic. And the rest of the community could very well benefit from observing and taking part in this discussion so no I will not be sending you a PM.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 08:30

Except I'm confident they did have something to do with the topic otherwise people wouldn't have posted them, but I suppose we can never know that now can we? Just because I don't agree with your action doesn't mean I should be talked down to .There's nothing in the job description for mod that says you need to idiot proof the forums.

Oh right. You must have never dealt with people derailing a topic then. Ask Meester and he will show you numerous examples where it requires a lock, for when people post totally irrelevant, out-of-place comments, the most common type of 'irrelevant' being the revival of very old topics.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 08:30

No, I mean let the community criticize those who shitpost. This is what has happened to Andertes as well as Waffel and Clovis in the past. People's posts are judged for their quality.

By saying that you seem to implying that every single bad quality post was judged by the replies that followed to it.. And that is totally wrong.
Players often start to engage in whatever off topic message it was someone had posted, by replying to it with the same kind of off-topic.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 08:30

Are you implying you take and save a screenshot of every comment you delete? More importantly how is this matter not the point of the topic? Look at the title the topic is literally about mod action (you are a mod) and data deletion (you deleted data). This conversation could not be anymore on topic. And the rest of the community could very well benefit from observing and taking part in this discussion so no I will not be sending you a PM.

Oh sorry, I had a few topics open in different tabs and must have mixed the names. No I don't take a screenshot of every single thing I delete, but most of the time I do take screenshots prior to deleting something. I'm not as obsessed as some people are to take screenshots of absolutely everything.

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 06:05

Why did you delete his comments + ban Malcolm Tucker from forum?

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 09:00

Why did you delete his comments + ban Malcolm Tucker from forum?

Did you know? There's a button titled "Send a PM". Check rule 3.4.

However, because of this topic's theme, here's your answer, W:

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 09:07

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 09:00

Why did you delete his comments + ban Malcolm Tucker from forum?

Did you know? There's a button titled "Send a PM". Check rule 3.4.

However, because of this topic's theme, here's your answer, W:

So he got banned for saying ''Waffel for mod''? Are you kidding me?
Lmao. I wonder what your point is with this whole delete/ban threads/people parade you're having


e Mare:
Banned? Do you even know what that means? I doubt..


Waffel:
Yes I do, do you? You banned him from forums, atleast thats what he told me and showed me.

I was never arguing that topics should never be locked or that spam is valuable. My problem is that too often I see what seems to be mods deleting threads and comments under the pretense of "it's off topic", when in reality they just don't like the content of the discussion or have personal issues with players posting. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. That kind of unchecked censorship actually damages the quality of the forum because we only see what a select group of players want us to see.

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 10:03

I was never arguing that topics should never be locked or that spam is valuable. My problem is that too often I see what seems to be mods deleting threads and comments under the pretense of "it's off topic", when in reality they just don't like the content of the discussion or have personal issues with players posting. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. That kind of unchecked censorship actually damages the quality of the forum because we only see what a select group of players want us to see.

You yourself, in this topic said: "Except I'm confident they did have something to do with the topic otherwise people wouldn't have posted them"

Sorry, but people post things not related to topics all the time, which is why the topics either get locked or the irrelevant comments removed.


From what source are you getting it that things locked/ deleted are disliked by the mod doing it? Where are you getting your supposed facts?
The only place where a mod wouldn't like something so bad as to delete it, is when it concerns the mod/ his friend, personally. Posting content of the kind not only constitutes a rule break but also arises an emotional reaction, such as in the recent case where a player's info was leaked. The emotional reaction comes from the thought we all have, which is "What would I do if that were to happen to me?"

Also, I don't suppose you'd just lock a topic which leaks info, for example. You'd delete it. Now you're going to say "Edit it". It can be edited by the author at any time to bring the details back from stars *** to text.

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 11:38

You yourself, in this topic said: "Except I'm confident they did have something to do with the topic otherwise people wouldn't have posted them"

Sorry, but people post things not related to topics all the time, which is why the topics either get locked or the irrelevant comments removed.


From what source are you getting it that things locked/ deleted are disliked by the mod doing it? Where are you getting your supposed facts?
The only place where a mod wouldn't like something so bad as to delete it, is when it concerns the mod/ his friend, personally. Posting content of the kind not only constitutes a rule break but also arises an emotional reaction, such as in the recent case where a player's info was leaked. The emotional reaction comes from the thought we all have, which is "What would I do if that were to happen to me?"

Also, I don't suppose you'd just lock a topic which leaks info, for example. You'd delete it. Now you're going to say "Edit it". It can be edited by the author at any time to bring the details back from stars *** to text.

Acquiesce is kind of right though, mods are easily deleting/moving threads/comments for personal reasons, if you as mod don't think you cant distinguish personal things and your duty as mod, then you should question yourself if being a moderator really fits you.

As I stated before, I have had my personal situations with you, but I still dont have a problem with you being a moderator, you just have to stop disrespectfully interrupt threads where clearly people want to discuss (since this is general discussion) and just delete comments or close the thread. Because that leads to off-topic comments aswell.
As said by acq, the reason was off-topic, when it was about AW and clearly not off-topic.

As I said million times, there should be guideliness for moderators, and those should be published, but amok and Ivan are working their asses off ( I hope) to fix this game so I would understand that thoes guidelines arent their first priorities. So in the sake of Ivan and Amok, stop starting worldwar 3 with the community here and try to control your triggerfinger and you'll see that the threads arent as bad as you think they are.

And I dont know if you have read my thread I made a couple of days ago, I will quote you in it just to make sure, but I think that reflects a bit how people think of the recent occassions with the mods.

Lol a comment that leaked sensitive information should certainly be deleted. Luckily for us that's a rare occurance because this is a video game forum, not FBI headquarters.

If you want an example look no further than your own behavior with Goblin. Deleting a comment that makes fun of deleting comments in a thread about deleting comments! I can only assume it's because you disagree with the content of his post.

As for sources or "supposed facts", I was a mod for years (twice as long as you've been playing this game), I saw this all the time. The first example that comes to mind is when a ~100 post thread criticizing Shadow Aces was deleted because it had "gone off topic".

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 12:21

Lol a comment that leaked sensitive information should certainly be deleted. Luckily for us that's a rare occurance because this is a video game forum, not FBI headquarters.

If you want an example look no further than your own behavior with Goblin. Deleting a comment that makes fun of deleting comments in a thread about deleting comments! I can only assume it's because you disagree with the content of his post.

As for sources or "supposed facts", I was a mod for years (twice as long as you've been playing this game), I saw this all the time. The first example that comes to mind is when a ~100 post thread criticizing Shadow Aces was deleted because it had "gone off topic".

Actually that's not what his gif was about.

(Well, I can only congratulate you...). To delete an entire topic is a very, very bad move. Unfortunately some people like to complain their topic was deleted, when later they come out saying they did it themselves.

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:18

Acquiesce is kind of right though, mods are easily deleting/moving threads/comments for personal reasons, if you as mod don't think you cant distinguish personal things and your duty as mod, then you should question yourself if being a moderator really fits you.

As I stated before, I have had my personal situations with you, but I still dont have a problem with you being a moderator, you just have to stop disrespectfully interrupt threads where clearly people want to discuss (since this is general discussion) and just delete comments or close the thread. Because that leads to off-topic comments aswell.
As said by acq, the reason was off-topic, when it was about AW and clearly not off-topic.

As I said million times, there should be guideliness for moderators, and those should be published, but amok and Ivan are working their asses off ( I hope) to fix this game so I would understand that thoes guidelines arent their first priorities. So in the sake of Ivan and Amok, stop starting worldwar 3 with the community here and try to control your triggerfinger and you'll see that the threads arent as bad as you think they are.

And I dont know if you have read my thread I made a couple of days ago, I will quote you in it just to make sure, but I think that reflects a bit how people think of the recent occassions with the mods.

I really don't enjoy seeing a double negative in a sentence.

Oh yeah, good times, good times:

Openly admitting you were breaking 'several rules at that moment' was so pleasant to read;

Claiming I had put you on ignore list when it fact it was you;

Avoiding your punishments several times and so on.

How do I disrespectfully interrupt topics? Give me an example, at least one.

Can't be a million times! You only have 2.8K posts

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 12:27

Kirjoittanut Acquiesce, 05.11.2015 at 12:21

Lol a comment that leaked sensitive information should certainly be deleted. Luckily for us that's a rare occurance because this is a video game forum, not FBI headquarters.

If you want an example look no further than your own behavior with Goblin. Deleting a comment that makes fun of deleting comments in a thread about deleting comments! I can only assume it's because you disagree with the content of his post.

As for sources or "supposed facts", I was a mod for years (twice as long as you've been playing this game), I saw this all the time. The first example that comes to mind is when a ~100 post thread criticizing Shadow Aces was deleted because it had "gone off topic".

Actually that's not what his gif was about.

(Well, I can only congratulate you...). To delete an entire topic is a very, very bad move. Unfortunately some people like to complain their topic was deleted, when later they come out saying they did it themselves.

Well I can speak for this situation, (as I made the Post about Shadow Aces) that I did not delete it myself.

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 12:32

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:18

Acquiesce is kind of right though, mods are easily deleting/moving threads/comments for personal reasons, if you as mod don't think you cant distinguish personal things and your duty as mod, then you should question yourself if being a moderator really fits you.

As I stated before, I have had my personal situations with you, but I still dont have a problem with you being a moderator, you just have to stop disrespectfully interrupt threads where clearly people want to discuss (since this is general discussion) and just delete comments or close the thread. Because that leads to off-topic comments aswell.
As said by acq, the reason was off-topic, when it was about AW and clearly not off-topic.

As I said million times, there should be guideliness for moderators, and those should be published, but amok and Ivan are working their asses off ( I hope) to fix this game so I would understand that thoes guidelines arent their first priorities. So in the sake of Ivan and Amok, stop starting worldwar 3 with the community here and try to control your triggerfinger and you'll see that the threads arent as bad as you think they are.

And I dont know if you have read my thread I made a couple of days ago, I will quote you in it just to make sure, but I think that reflects a bit how people think of the recent occassions with the mods.

I really don't enjoy seeing a double negative in a sentence.

Oh yeah, good times, good times:

Openly admitting you were breaking 'several rules at that moment' was so pleasant to read;

Claiming I had put you on ignore list when it fact it was you;

Avoiding your punishments several times and so on.

How do I disrespectfully interrupt topics? Give me an example, at least one.

Can't be a million times! You only have 2.8K posts

You really dont get the point do you? Are you stubborn or is it just plain stupid?

You do it all the time, deleting topics in the name ''off-topic'' , and when I made a thread about since you've become a moderator 70% of page 1 of General discussion was locked, you quickly used your mod powers and re-opened them all and then commented ''Where do you see locked threads''? Things like this is what people are talking about.
I mean just because you know the admins in rl I dont really think you can just go on with this behaviour without accepting the consequents.

You think that if you be sarcastic or non-chalant it all will be fine? Reconsider your positition and you might actually have fun again in this game.

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:37

You really dont get the point do you? Are you stubborn or is it just plain stupid?

You do it all the time, deleting topics in the name ''off-topic'' , and when I made a thread about since you've become a moderator 70% of page 1 of General discussion was locked, you quickly used your mod powers and re-opened them all and then commented ''Where do you see locked threads''? Things like this is what people are talking about.
I mean just because you know the admins in rl I dont really think you can just go on with this behaviour without accepting the consequents.

You think that if you be sarcastic or non-chalant it all will be fine? Reconsider your positition and you might actually have fun again in this game.

Here's a free • for you.

All the time? Boy, should you check if there are still any topics left...
70%? Do you even know how much that is? You didn't the last time you used the figure. I assume you are 10/10 in Mathematics.
Also, there is just a single "people" called Waffel talking about it

It's already fun watching how deliberately misinformed you are. *insert popcorn gif here* What else is to come!

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 12:46

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:37

You really dont get the point do you? Are you stubborn or is it just plain stupid?

You do it all the time, deleting topics in the name ''off-topic'' , and when I made a thread about since you've become a moderator 70% of page 1 of General discussion was locked, you quickly used your mod powers and re-opened them all and then commented ''Where do you see locked threads''? Things like this is what people are talking about.
I mean just because you know the admins in rl I dont really think you can just go on with this behaviour without accepting the consequents.

You think that if you be sarcastic or non-chalant it all will be fine? Reconsider your positition and you might actually have fun again in this game.

Here's a free • for you.

All the time? Boy, should you check if there are still any topics left...
70%? Do you even know how much that is? You didn't the last time you used the figure. I assume you are 10/10 in Mathematics.
Also, there is just a single "people" called Waffel talking about it

It's already fun watching how deliberately misinformed you are. *insert popcorn gif here* What else is to come!

nice sarcasm, good quality to have as a mod. Great for fueling or starting flame wars.
Might as well delete this cuz I went off topic

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 12:46

Here's a free • for you.

All the time? Boy, should you check if there are still any topics left...
70%? Do you even know how much that is? You didn't the last time you used the figure. I assume you are 10/10 in Mathematics.
Also, there is just a single "people" called Waffel talking about it

It's already fun watching how deliberately misinformed you are. *insert popcorn gif here* What else is to come!

I assume you are a lost case.

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:58

I assume you are a lost case.

It's funny still how you ignored my request for an example of where "I derail topics" Keep going like that, yeah..

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 13:00

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:58

I assume you are a lost case.

It's funny still how you ignored my request for an example of where "I derail topics" Keep going like that, yeah..

fking hell can you be any more of a condescending ass.
Act like a mod for once

Kirjoittanut e Mare, 05.11.2015 at 13:00

Kirjoittanut Waffel, 05.11.2015 at 12:58

I assume you are a lost case.

It's funny still how you ignored my request for an example of where "I derail topics" Keep going like that, yeah..

If you actually went to school and actually learnt to read, which I think you didn't, you could've got your anwser already.
How about delete your own comment because it is off-topic? '' ''


e Mare: Technically, this post of yours is far more off-topic. Be an example and we will all follow!

Kirjoittanut Dbacks, 05.11.2015 at 13:02

fking hell can you be any more of a condescending ass.
Act like a mod for once

I'm asking him to provide an example of where I, according to him, have derailed or 'disrespectfully interrupted' topics. I have yet to receive one.
Meanwhile, you could stop typing out whatever comes first to your brain.