I demand removal of Paradox vs. Helghasts CW
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Since theFuehrer didnt want to agree with removal of that CW, I will need a support of community and mods so it can affect on Ivan/Amok to remove it.
Before reading, let me just mention that CW between Mortal Kombat and Cosa Nostra was removed by admins because of similiar reasons (2 seasons ago). I know cuz I participated in that cw.
I will tell the most detailed story about all those issues with a CW against Helghasts.
Im gonna be calmed down while typing this, cuz if nothing is going to be solved about this cw, I just dont see any single reason to stay here anymore.
So, I will write it in 3 paragraphs:
1. Before CW / Croats searching for CW
2. During CW / Gameplay and spectactors
3. End of CW / After CW
1. Before CW / Croat's searching for CW
- Since I was forum banned, I wasnt of forums these days and since I was studying, I wasnt online. When I finally came on, all I wanted was one CW. So, I searched for it (dat logic). I saw Victorious Secret and Illy are already playing so I decided to take a look on my friend list (!! remember, FRIEND list) to ask some guys for CW. All were busy, but not theFuehrer , so I thought 'Why not to ask him' and it was like this:
Croat: 'CW?'
He answered exactly this 'ok'
I made a CW, but he gone to play a duel against Plato. I told him I can give him some tips while playing if needed, because I was bored since no cw, expect waiting theFuehrer to end that duel.
Whole the game I was giving him tips and after duel ended, I asked that guy again:
Croat: 'dude can we CW now?'
theFuehrer: 'ok'
Croat: 'Come in I already made a game'
theFuehrer: 'I would rather duel, I need Elo'
I said on that just to start a CW faster that I am not playing duels this season and I will give him all Elo cuz I dont care about that, even from alts if needed, but I just begged him to come CW cuz he agreed twice. I told him clearly, if I win, my clan is going to be on 2nd place on the leaderboard, what is a big deal for me and for my clan which is on scene only for a month. It means to me, you know, and I am playing every CW with some adrenaline because this is first time that I am founder and main leader of some coalition, so logically, I want all best to my clan.
This is our chat, I was so impatient while waiting him in cw room:
2. During CW / Gameplay and spectactors
- Before picking, I asked him about 3 times I think (HOLY GRAIL CAN CONFIRM !!!), does he want 1v1, 2v2 or 3v3 CW ? Telling again, I asked him that 3 times. Everytime he said he wants 1v1. So, I accepted it.
We started picking.
He had first pick and took Germany.
I had 2nd pick and took UK. (I was NC)
1st turn:
Croat took Belgium and Norway (He killed mine 4 units in NL)
theFuehrer took NL and Danmark (I killed his 7 units in Norway)
2nd turn
Croat TBED NL, took Cologne (8 units) and Frankfurt (6 units) from Belgium and London (saved an reinf for a transport in 2nd turn) and took Munchen (10 units) + this city south from Berlin (4 units) with Norway stack and latemoved Danmark.
theFuehrer got TBED 9 units in NL (2 militia 7 infs), took Poland from Danmark and stacked Berlin.
Practically,
Croat had whole UK, Belgium, NL, Norway, Danmark, all Germany cities except Hamburg (0) and Berlin
and all that theFuehrer had was NL, Czech, Poland and only 2 cities in Germany (0 in Hamburg and Berlin)
3rd turn
Croat was good with connection but laggy, 1 min before end of the turn Croat disconnected.
the fuehrer makes all so he caps Croat and retakes some Germany cities
4th turn
Croat apologises for dc and asks for tie.
theFuehrer accepts with EXACTLY those words: 'ok but no rematch'
So Croat tells him to move his units from London so he can recap and after that turn tie.
About 7 or 8 times Croat explains to him: 'just move units out of London so I can recap, next turn tie'
theFuehrer: 'ok' and he moved his stack to the all UK cities and left 1 in London
5th turn (reinf turn)
Croat sent 9 infs on that 1 sea transport in London
But theFuehrer uses all reinfs from UK and puts all units in London. He had 69 units in London when Croat gone to recap himself, so obviously he used units from Germany or NL to stack London even more.
In the lasts seconds of CW, theFuehrer says: 'They told me to stack London, I cant undo'
All spectactors hoped he is kidding. 20 seconds till the end of turn.
theFuehrer: 'I cant undo, sorry'
I will say exactly words of dinoscout: 'Than refresh if you cannot undo'
No, he didnt refresh, he waited until turn ends.
Croat loses a CW.
3. END OF CW / AFTER CW
Logically, I was trying to know WHY he did that, but with caps lock on sometimes, you will understand me why.
I admit, I insulted him once after he said: 'Im going to gym now, we can talk later'
I told him: 'I will bomb it, better dont go'
That was my hardest 'insult' to him.
On the other side, take a look on his lies (firstly spam chat, secondly someone other told him to stack London, thirdly I tbed him (?!?!?!?!), fourthly it was a bug, fifth he didnt want to tell who told him to stack London with an excuse 'I have bad memory' ) while we were chatting what happened and why he did that miserable thing in CW:
1. I couldnt TB him because I attacked only that 1 sea trasnsport which was in London with 9 infs
2. It couldnt be a bug, because there is no any single explanation for that kind of bug '69 units spawned in London' lol wtf
3. Even if someone else trolled him and told him to stack London, he could use his brain, also I pmed him 10 times not to move anything cuz im recapping
4. Spam chat cannot whipe his brain out so he stacks 69 in London, if so than I really understand why his brain thinks that Earth is a flat. Its called chicken brain.
5. He told that he got bad memory to remember who told him to stack London.....................
Whatsmore, I got some profs of each spectactor and witness from our CW, so take a look:
STRIKO:
DINOSCOUT:
OPI:
PANTERI:
And for last there is a talk between striko and fuehrer in some 3v3 after this cw:
'SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH' like 'Earth is flat' or like 'stop talking that in public'
Now really, you can hate me or love me, but please, this time think as a player of this game.
I opened my clan before a month, I want it all best and I want this CW to be restored/removed/deleted, whatever.
I prohibited another CWs of Paradox until we solve this, so the amount of Elo is not being ruined. It will ruin after either Paradox, either Helghasts play another cw,
so I beg you too not to play a CW with Helghasts until we solve this.
Whatsmore, if you can support me as community or if mods can do that with affecting on Ivan and discussing about this, I would appreciate that as a person who gave really much of myself for this game, I know I abused either global, either forums sometimes, but still I gave my best for improvement of an atWar. Only thing I am searching for (back) is to solve this CW in a proper way, because this is just crap thing.
If no and if we are going to allow those kind of things done by some random narbs, I just wont deal with that anymore, this will be my last here.
Cheers,
Croat
Before reading, let me just mention that CW between Mortal Kombat and Cosa Nostra was removed by admins because of similiar reasons (2 seasons ago). I know cuz I participated in that cw.
I will tell the most detailed story about all those issues with a CW against Helghasts.
Im gonna be calmed down while typing this, cuz if nothing is going to be solved about this cw, I just dont see any single reason to stay here anymore.
So, I will write it in 3 paragraphs:
1. Before CW / Croats searching for CW
2. During CW / Gameplay and spectactors
3. End of CW / After CW
1. Before CW / Croat's searching for CW
- Since I was forum banned, I wasnt of forums these days and since I was studying, I wasnt online. When I finally came on, all I wanted was one CW. So, I searched for it (dat logic). I saw Victorious Secret and Illy are already playing so I decided to take a look on my friend list (!! remember, FRIEND list) to ask some guys for CW. All were busy, but not theFuehrer , so I thought 'Why not to ask him' and it was like this:
Croat: 'CW?'
He answered exactly this 'ok'
I made a CW, but he gone to play a duel against Plato. I told him I can give him some tips while playing if needed, because I was bored since no cw, expect waiting theFuehrer to end that duel.
Whole the game I was giving him tips and after duel ended, I asked that guy again:
Croat: 'dude can we CW now?'
theFuehrer: 'ok'
Croat: 'Come in I already made a game'
theFuehrer: 'I would rather duel, I need Elo'
I said on that just to start a CW faster that I am not playing duels this season and I will give him all Elo cuz I dont care about that, even from alts if needed, but I just begged him to come CW cuz he agreed twice. I told him clearly, if I win, my clan is going to be on 2nd place on the leaderboard, what is a big deal for me and for my clan which is on scene only for a month. It means to me, you know, and I am playing every CW with some adrenaline because this is first time that I am founder and main leader of some coalition, so logically, I want all best to my clan.
This is our chat, I was so impatient while waiting him in cw room:
2. During CW / Gameplay and spectactors
- Before picking, I asked him about 3 times I think (HOLY GRAIL CAN CONFIRM !!!), does he want 1v1, 2v2 or 3v3 CW ? Telling again, I asked him that 3 times. Everytime he said he wants 1v1. So, I accepted it.
We started picking.
He had first pick and took Germany.
I had 2nd pick and took UK. (I was NC)
1st turn:
Croat took Belgium and Norway (He killed mine 4 units in NL)
theFuehrer took NL and Danmark (I killed his 7 units in Norway)
2nd turn
Croat TBED NL, took Cologne (8 units) and Frankfurt (6 units) from Belgium and London (saved an reinf for a transport in 2nd turn) and took Munchen (10 units) + this city south from Berlin (4 units) with Norway stack and latemoved Danmark.
theFuehrer got TBED 9 units in NL (2 militia 7 infs), took Poland from Danmark and stacked Berlin.
Practically,
Croat had whole UK, Belgium, NL, Norway, Danmark, all Germany cities except Hamburg (0) and Berlin
and all that theFuehrer had was NL, Czech, Poland and only 2 cities in Germany (0 in Hamburg and Berlin)
3rd turn
Croat was good with connection but laggy, 1 min before end of the turn Croat disconnected.
the fuehrer makes all so he caps Croat and retakes some Germany cities
4th turn
Croat apologises for dc and asks for tie.
theFuehrer accepts with EXACTLY those words: 'ok but no rematch'
So Croat tells him to move his units from London so he can recap and after that turn tie.
About 7 or 8 times Croat explains to him: 'just move units out of London so I can recap, next turn tie'
theFuehrer: 'ok' and he moved his stack to the all UK cities and left 1 in London
5th turn (reinf turn)
Croat sent 9 infs on that 1 sea transport in London
But theFuehrer uses all reinfs from UK and puts all units in London. He had 69 units in London when Croat gone to recap himself, so obviously he used units from Germany or NL to stack London even more.
In the lasts seconds of CW, theFuehrer says: 'They told me to stack London, I cant undo'
All spectactors hoped he is kidding. 20 seconds till the end of turn.
theFuehrer: 'I cant undo, sorry'
I will say exactly words of dinoscout: 'Than refresh if you cannot undo'
No, he didnt refresh, he waited until turn ends.
Croat loses a CW.
3. END OF CW / AFTER CW
Logically, I was trying to know WHY he did that, but with caps lock on sometimes, you will understand me why.
I admit, I insulted him once after he said: 'Im going to gym now, we can talk later'
I told him: 'I will bomb it, better dont go'
That was my hardest 'insult' to him.
On the other side, take a look on his lies (firstly spam chat, secondly someone other told him to stack London, thirdly I tbed him (?!?!?!?!), fourthly it was a bug, fifth he didnt want to tell who told him to stack London with an excuse 'I have bad memory' ) while we were chatting what happened and why he did that miserable thing in CW:
1. I couldnt TB him because I attacked only that 1 sea trasnsport which was in London with 9 infs
2. It couldnt be a bug, because there is no any single explanation for that kind of bug '69 units spawned in London' lol wtf
3. Even if someone else trolled him and told him to stack London, he could use his brain, also I pmed him 10 times not to move anything cuz im recapping
4. Spam chat cannot whipe his brain out so he stacks 69 in London, if so than I really understand why his brain thinks that Earth is a flat. Its called chicken brain.
5. He told that he got bad memory to remember who told him to stack London.....................
Whatsmore, I got some profs of each spectactor and witness from our CW, so take a look:
STRIKO:
DINOSCOUT:
OPI:
PANTERI:
And for last there is a talk between striko and fuehrer in some 3v3 after this cw:
'SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH' like 'Earth is flat' or like 'stop talking that in public'
Now really, you can hate me or love me, but please, this time think as a player of this game.
I opened my clan before a month, I want it all best and I want this CW to be restored/removed/deleted, whatever.
I prohibited another CWs of Paradox until we solve this, so the amount of Elo is not being ruined. It will ruin after either Paradox, either Helghasts play another cw,
so I beg you too not to play a CW with Helghasts until we solve this.
Whatsmore, if you can support me as community or if mods can do that with affecting on Ivan and discussing about this, I would appreciate that as a person who gave really much of myself for this game, I know I abused either global, either forums sometimes, but still I gave my best for improvement of an atWar. Only thing I am searching for (back) is to solve this CW in a proper way, because this is just crap thing.
If no and if we are going to allow those kind of things done by some random narbs, I just wont deal with that anymore, this will be my last here.
Cheers,
Croat
I think all the things are obvious. Proofs of witnesses are here. Proofs of game are at certain moderators. All what is needed to be done is removal of that CW. Good thing is that Paradox didint play any game after that CW, neither did Helghasts, so Elo system WONT be ruined. Thanks to Stryko and dinoscout on help by proving what happened. Thanks to mods by understanding a case. .... Well, I never looked for a ban for theFuehrer, only removing that CW. After all those insults and lies he was able to say during whole day, by making my job of proving what happened much harder, now, when the community and witnesses proved with me what happened, I will think even about a suggestion of banning these kind of players and their disrespectfull moves, which are killing competitiveness and fairplay at all. Hope admins will fix this in a short period so we can continue with CWs as soon as possible. Cheers, Croat
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Heh. I said don't mess with me. Fortunately you will face the consequences, and justice WILL be served.  I circled them in Hot Pink for your little brain. Look at the pictures. >6 initial players >1 winner >6 turns >3v3 CW competitive game play >croat 55 SP, fuher 414 >previous SS's Have fun in ban land.
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You are funny and cute. It's funny and cute you are only pointing me out, a guy who never CWs. Croat is the one who called me out, I agreed. If anyone should be banned it should be croat for trying to cheat his way into second place. Croat should know by now CWs are only 3v3's.... I don't know that since I do not CW. Plus, it is not my fault he disconnected. Imagine everytime someone disconnects mods have to come in and erase history... Seriosuly, grow up kiddo. Also, like I said, my sp is higher because I had OP defence... plus he attacked his cap and I defended.
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Very cute, again. It's funny you have flipped this whole thing around. I remember me asking you to duel instead of CW... but since you BEGGED me to CW because you wanted 2nd place, I agreed. You say I am the one killing competitive game play? Am I the one going around asking for 1v1 CW? How is that fair for other clans? Do I ever CW? Do you remember me asking for duel? Do you remember walling off my land after I agreed to tie? Why did you do that?
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You are trying so hard... it's laughable.
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Croat may have said that but he was desperate and probably didnt know what to do..... ummm... That shouldnt excuse him. He has played 1 million more CW's than me.. he should know the rules by now.. Plus it isnt the first time croat has asked to 1v1 cw me... he did it back then when he was in cosa notra or what ever its called. I had higher SP because he lost a turn and I defended... there is nothing more to it.
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Listen here flat brain boy, I have and I sent screenshots of me asking you do you want 3v3, 2v2 or 1v1 CW. I asked you that 3 times. I have screenshot as proof. I have my clanmate Holy Grail as proof since he wanted to CW too, so we wanted 2v2 CW. but no, you were the one who forced 1v1 CW. Let me be b0nker once in my life: CASE SOLVED.
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Why should I be scared? LOL.... I have more important things in my life to be worried about that silly cw points. I'm sorry at war isn't my life like it is for croat and yourself. Good, ignore me. I don't care 
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I preferred 1v1 because teams were really unbalanced... Average rank in my clan is rank 6.... you have a bunch of high ranks in the game. I preferred a fair game. Which is why I WAS going to tie until you decided to talk shit and wall off my ports. Do you remember that? Why did you wall my ports? I thought we were going to tie? That must mean we were still at war since you walled off my ports. That's why I decided to kill your sorry ass.
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I didn't say "ignore", please read. You might have a chance at arguing if you read. If you have more important things to do then why did you decide to take that cheap win? Why did you Pr me saying "should I kill him?" when the answer was obvious. That point about croat wanting to farm, you can't persecute someone if he didn't do anything. did he farm off you? no. I provided the proof, I'm out. Let the mods/admins decide.
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Oh, now you preferred 1v1.... Oh, how you change your story so fast. Btw, you dont need to talk anymore lmao, I have all proofs, I sent them to certain mods, I talked with 3 mods whole the night and I told this story to another 3. As you can see, you have and shared only 1 'proof' which was better proof for me than for you lmao. If you didnt notice, every single word you say is going against you. You know why? Becuase those are lies and I have proofs to kill any of it.
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Then what the fuck does GGNORE mean? I Pm'd a lot of people in that game should i kill him... it was to troll lol. I already said why i decided to kill him. Did you not read? He walled off my ports AFTER I told him sure i'll tie. That meant to me that we were still at war, those actions are a declaration of war plus he began to insult me. Why should i tie with someone who is a sore loser? Bye.
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Okay buddy. Where you able to sleep last night? I slept pretty damn good. 
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No, but that is why you are so upset today.
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Do you see my waste time writing an entire essay? Do you see my cry over elo points? Get a life mate.  You're a pathetic loser.
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As much as I am disgusted that the common etiquette and respect that exists between clans has been broken here, technically speaking no rules per se have been broken. Therefore I dont think the elo will be wiped off. I agree though that this clan should be boycotted for the actions and disrespect to an opponent they have shown. *Once upon a time a warrior named Ironail faced the god Zizou, history has it that the god Zizou played dead in a 1v1, Ironail the most honourable of men waited for the god to become active in the war as was the etiquette of the time, the great god zizou cunning although not moving made a secret army and killed the honourable man, thus forth the lessons of trust in the atwar world were broken, and man no longer trusted the actions at first sight of other men. (Fruit the Prohphet)
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My clan should be boycotted? All I wanted was a duel but he insisted I cw him so he could take 2nd place 
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Ok bro
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Yes if the croat is to be believed then you have broken the etiquette and courtesy that exists in the competitive community. As such those that conform to the unwritten rules should choose to boycott games vs your clan since this is something that can't and shouldn't be 'moderated' imo.
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Well, than this is the deadline for setting CW rules more detailed. I understand you clearly, I know that all, but you need to understand me. I wouldnt care if that is Duel thing which is individual, but its my clan. All my mates are suffering because of such a desrespect from theFuehrer and what he was able to do in that CW. He must face consenquences somehow and I will give all of myself to realize that. If not, I really really dont see myself here anymore, because I cannot take anymore this amount of disrespect and disappointment. Some things has to be done here, either CW removal, either some kind of punishment, idk, but I dont feel I will just stop and accept this silly thing.
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With grey areas like etiquette being broken the only 'punishment' that can come is from the userbase. Many things dont need to be bought to justice by moderators, 99% of player problems should be resolved by players themselves (unrealistic with austistic teenagers I know) and actually we have the tools to do this without moderator/admin involvement. As much as it pains you, and beleive me I think it was wrong what has happened, as I said no rule has technically been broken. Accept the loss and boycott away, enemy list them etc etc this is all that can be done, it is also the sensible option that doesnt open a can of worms. Likewise a 'deadline' for cws doesnt need to be made (im unsure of what you mean here btw) but putting any restrictions on what is and should be an informal arrangement would be detremental to most clans.
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lately many clans are making ugly moves,I think bonkers idea would actually solve all the problems. once i read on the forum bonker said cws should be a locked game with no ability to tie or remake once you start the picking one clan will win no matter what, this will end the cry threads and the dick moves. and like i was told beware who you cw with there are some garbage human beings out there.
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b0nker2, did you read anything that I said? I am aware of this courtest.. which is why I was going to give him a tie... until he blocked off my ports and began to trash talk. Why should I give any respect to a player like that?  Players like croat dont deserve my respect.
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