Disable ban on private games

Why should map-maker bans be enforced in private games?

To coerce you into pretending to be better than you really are in your messages and game style.

Damn...

But to take the map-makers perspective (and i may be playing devil's advocate, or maybe not) no one wants abusive people freely playing with their creations.

Kirjoittanut brianwl, 20.12.2014 at 15:02

To coerce you into pretending to be better than you really are in your messages and game style.

Damn...

But to take the map-makers perspective (and i may be playing devil's advocate, or maybe not) no one wants abusive people freely playing with their creations.

By that logic we should let map-makers ban anyone they want.

Nobody wants someone they don't like playing with their creations.

Don't go throwing logic into the discussion... =p

But it's true, if the map-makers want to get together and create an AW clone, they can do so and create their own little private world, and not let anyone they don't want join their world. But if they are going to use the creations of the AW developers (including the map-making tools), then they have to so according the community standards those developers promote.

Kirjoittanut brianwl, 22.12.2014 at 10:39

Don't go throwing logic into the discussion... =p

But it's true, if the map-makers want to get together and create an AW clone, they can do so and create their own little private world, and not let anyone they don't want join their world. But if they are going to use the creations of the AW developers (including the map-making tools), then they have to so according the community standards those developers promote.

I don't think Ivan and Amok see the need for bans in private games.

Oh... i don't know what they think... well, they would be the ones.

They can bypass with this

no support

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Kirjoittanut brianwl, 24.12.2014 at 08:50

Oh... i don't know what they think... well, they would be the ones.

Well, do YOU think that bans should be disabled for private games?

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:19

Well, do YOU think that bans should be disabled for private games?

I haven't spent or invested hours into map-making. For that reason, i'd prefer to hear from some hard-core map-makers, but i don't see anything wrong with map-makers banning a player from their maps if that player makes no effort to reconcile or make amends for the actions that got him banned in the first place.

So, imo:

I think once a player does make amends, he shouldn't be banned indefinitely, and allowing private games might be an intermediary step in completely de-banning a player from a given map-makers ban list.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 14:37

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

People will likely play anyway

Also if Players can host/join a private game of a map they got banned from what is the point of banning anyway. Banning would be USELESS and a broken feature.

So you want to bypass a ban by playing the map on private? lol

just grow up and behave properly, and i can assure you that nobody is ever going to ban you from their maps.

Kirjoittanut OKELEUK, 25.12.2014 at 18:59

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 14:37

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

People will likely play anyway

Also if Players can host/join a private game of a map they got banned from what is the point of banning anyway. Banning would be USELESS and a broken feature.

You don't know that

You think banlist was implemented to punish, thats wrong.
It was implemented to protect honest players. Do you think normal players would host private games to let banned people in?

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 25.12.2014 at 22:46

So you want to bypass a ban by playing the map on private? lol

just grow up and behave properly, and i can assure you that nobody is ever going to ban you from their maps.

What about retard map-makers?

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 05:34

Kirjoittanut OKELEUK, 25.12.2014 at 18:59

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 14:37

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

People will likely play anyway

Also if Players can host/join a private game of a map they got banned from what is the point of banning anyway. Banning would be USELESS and a broken feature.

You don't know that

You think banlist was implemented to punish, thats wrong.
It was implemented to protect honest players. Do you think normal players would host private games to let banned people in?

Lolno

99% of the bans are too punish people for doing wrong, griefing, trolling, wallfucking, leaving, playing intentionally really bad.
Mapmakers get pissed and punish the dude.

The side effect is that they protect honest players.

And yeah, i have known many people who had Y friend who was banned from X map, who they Wanted to join.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 05:34

Kirjoittanut OKELEUK, 25.12.2014 at 18:59

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 14:37

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

People will likely play anyway

Also if Players can host/join a private game of a map they got banned from what is the point of banning anyway. Banning would be USELESS and a broken feature.

You don't know that

You think banlist was implemented to punish, thats wrong.
It was implemented to protect honest players. Do you think normal players would host private games to let banned people in?

Lolno

99% of the bans are too punish people for doing wrong, griefing, trolling, wallfucking, leaving, playing intentionally really bad.
Mapmakers get pissed and punish the dude.

The side effect is that they protect honest players.

And yeah, i have known many people who had Y friend who was banned from X map, who they Wanted to join.

Kirjoittanut OKELEUK, 26.12.2014 at 05:48

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 05:34

Kirjoittanut OKELEUK, 25.12.2014 at 18:59

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 14:37

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 12:37

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 11:40

Kirjoittanut Guest, 25.12.2014 at 09:18

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 25.12.2014 at 07:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 15:14

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 14:11

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 12:13

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 24.12.2014 at 10:18

Kirjoittanut Guest, 24.12.2014 at 09:47

They can bypass with this

no support

Then people would know that the game was hosted by a troll and join on their own risk.

The reason banlist was implemented was not to punish trolls (mainly), but to protect people from trolling.
If people can see that the host and potentially the people who joined are trolls, then they can join at their own risk or host their own.

Not everyone knows who are trolls

But then banned players can only make private games. That will make games with trolls in them flagged with the ''private'' mark.

Players can be mistaken for trolls then

Only stupid people would automatically think all players in private games are trolls.

True, which means that trolls can successfully play games, under the pre text for having the game on private is to keep out some unwanted players

If you don't want unwanted players then don't share the password with everyone.

I mean that this is how banned people will bypass banning with your idea

What is the problem with banned players bypassing it if everyone knows the host is banned?
Everyone can choose themselves if they want to risk playing with banned players or not.

People will likely play anyway

Also if Players can host/join a private game of a map they got banned from what is the point of banning anyway. Banning would be USELESS and a broken feature.

You don't know that

You think banlist was implemented to punish, thats wrong.
It was implemented to protect honest players. Do you think normal players would host private games to let banned people in?

Lolno

99% of the bans are too punish people for doing wrong, griefing, trolling, wallfucking, leaving, playing intentionally really bad.
Mapmakers get pissed and punish the dude.

The side effect is that they protect honest players.

And yeah, i have known many people who had Y friend who was banned from X map, who they Wanted to join.

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 07:44

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

it was implemented to protect map makers from trolls like you

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 26.12.2014 at 09:09

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 07:44

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

it was implemented to protect map makers from trolls like you

I don't troll. Please provide evidence that I do.

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 10:51

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 26.12.2014 at 09:09

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 07:44

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

it was implemented to protect map makers from trolls like you

I don't troll. Please provide evidence that I do.

every week you make a topic about how map makers are unfair and blablabla
besides you tried to sabotage the banlist of the senate, that is good enough for me to ban you from my maps.

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 26.12.2014 at 11:44

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 10:51

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 26.12.2014 at 09:09

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 07:44

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

it was implemented to protect map makers from trolls like you

I don't troll. Please provide evidence that I do.

every week you make a topic about how map makers are unfair and blablabla
besides you tried to sabotage the banlist of the senate, that is good enough for me to ban you from my maps.

> provide evidence? Easy ^_^.

^_^

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 26.12.2014 at 09:09

Kirjoittanut Milton Friedman, 26.12.2014 at 07:44

That's what map-makers do, not why it was implemented.

it was implemented to protect map makers from trolls like you

Tunder, you have won the Internet.