Natural State of Man

What do you believe? All political beliefs and most philosophical beliefs ultimately come from the natural state of man.
Is man good in natural state, but society corrupts?
Is mankind inherently evil and needs a strong, central authority to protect one from oneself?

The first philosophy tends to lead to an individualist belief.
The second philosophy tends to lead to the "greater good of society" belief.

What are your thoughts?

Townfolks say my grandgrandfather was drunk bastard constant guest in tsar's prison, but his son - my grandfather was hardworking family guy credited for everything we achieved today.

Therefore i say people change.. through sons.. kind of blood lineage.. i think.

People arent either, their entire existance is influenced by society and thus society needs to be strict and controlled because society if left uncontrolled usually turns people into grumpy, evil faggets whos sole purpose is to achive sucess by stepping on others.

Kirjoittanut Skanderbeg, 18.12.2015 at 10:32

Therefore i say people change.. through sons.. kind of blood lineage.. i think.

Cute little anecdote (they say talent skips a generation) but you completely missed the point of his question.

He's asking if you support Hobbes or Locke

Kirjoittanut Evic, 18.12.2015 at 11:06

People arent either, their entire existance is influenced by society and thus society needs to be strict and controlled because society if left uncontrolled usually turns people into grumpy, evil faggets whos sole purpose is to achive sucess by stepping on others.

So therefore the closest you would get is that man is that man is corrupted by society, but in order to be corrupted relatively, we would need to have been relatively good in natural state.

Kirjoittanut Sinjid, 18.12.2015 at 22:16

Kirjoittanut Evic, 18.12.2015 at 11:06

People arent either, their entire existance is influenced by society and thus society needs to be strict and controlled because society if left uncontrolled usually turns people into grumpy, evil faggets whos sole purpose is to achive sucess by stepping on others.

So therefore the closest you would get is that man is that man is corrupted by society, but in order to be corrupted relatively, we would need to have been relatively good in natural state.

i wrote a long paragraph but then my net failed me im not typing it again but i will say *Tabula rasa*
your missing the third and true option man is neither.

Id say people is neutral , but easily manipulated by the evil people . the bad persons stay in calm because of fear ( dead , jail , god ... etc). the neutrals start to be evil because they tend to follow the crowd , cuz , you know , everyone is doing it , so why not ?, in critical situations when bad people lose the fear , they take command , not directly , they will simply do bad things because there isn't anyone to stop them , and the neutral people will follow them , this works for the true good too , but there isn't too many Situations for this to happen , while there are many situations in which the evil part can act

Society corrupts, buuut
man is the epitome of balance i think. "the world is shit" is a common phrase but i think people have been raised to expect more than is realistically possible. there is too much political correctness and mollycoddling. if everyone was raised without such bullshit expectations maybe they wouold learn to think for themsleves and then society wouldn't be able to take advantage of them or turn them into cunts.

also every time strict authoritative figures have been imposed on societies they revolt. i think whatever godofwar is talking about is more than likely the best choice and i've not even started looking at it.

Man is good
Woman with penis is even better