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Lähettänyt Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

30.08.2016 - 20:30
 JF.
Kirjoittanut Aetius, 30.08.2016 at 19:55

Kirjoittanut JF., 30.08.2016 at 19:15

Land bill Type 2.
Gladiatorial Games.
+3 roll on an Equite.

I would like to co-sponser this (if you accept)

Accept.
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
30.08.2016 - 20:33
Kirjoittanut Aetius, 30.08.2016 at 19:55

"I suggest the Consuls remove unworthy Gaius Octavius, and replace him back with the rightful commander Publius Marius who has been denied battle for years unjustly. The gauls in italy is simply an intolerable issue and must be resolved at once, while the other two wars should not be ignored either. Put the large treasury to use!

Also, I as Censor will prosecute those I feel have held their concessions for too long or have been immoral. Long live the Republic."

3 on equite


Oh dear Sertorius, indeed you are the censor but it seems like you are the senate's clown as well. For you must either be a wicked and deluded hypocrite or a complete buffoon. It is quite comical that the censor himself evades taxes to fill his pockets with gold, yet it is even more comical that he has the audacity to tell the senate with a straight face that he will persecute those who are immoral and corrupt. Get out of here you clown, the senate has laugh enough already and your presence will no longer be needed.


Here have a mask for making us laugh:

Ladataan...
Ladataan...
30.08.2016 - 20:36
"Ill see you in court, Asellio. Just make sure not to scamper into exile this time."
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
30.08.2016 - 20:56
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
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30.08.2016 - 21:23
Kirjoittanut Aetius, 30.08.2016 at 20:36

"Ill see you in court, Asellio. Just make sure not to scamper into exile this time."


Interesting to see that "Herius Sertorius Scurra" has already made his mind and thus has willingly commit prejudice. I will do justice to my nickname and drive another donkey like Scurra out the senate floor. Perhaps we will also soon discover that Sertorious Scurra is receiving shekels from the Carthaginians to do harm to me: Asellio the hero of Lilybaeum.
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30.08.2016 - 21:30
Kirjoittanut MrArmy987, 30.08.2016 at 19:19

Kirjoittanut Phoenix, 30.08.2016 at 19:16

I would host a game but I'm poor....

So 3 on equite pls.

When I have enough equites I'll spam games.

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ho
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30.08.2016 - 21:35
3 on equite
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31.08.2016 - 01:18
3 on equite
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31.08.2016 - 03:02
7 talents on Chariot Races
3 talents on Equite
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"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone" - Pyrrhus of Epirus
Ladataan...
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31.08.2016 - 06:09
I reccomend that our current forces crush the Gauls while our to-be-levied Legions can end the war with Illyria. At that point we can turn our attention to Macedon.

Can I lead the fight against Illyria again? I want to finish the job there
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Someone Better Than You
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31.08.2016 - 08:07
Kirjoittanut Tundy, 30.08.2016 at 21:23

Asellio the hero of Lilybaeum.



As a seasoned military commander aware of how the military works, I find it insulting, if not pure mockery, that a politician such as yourself dares to claim credit for a true general's victory. It;s obvious to all that in reality it was Papus' command and the legion I trained that brought Rome victory in Lilybaeum. Even then, one can hardly be called a hero for defeating a medicore commander with almost twice his forces. A plagiariser such as yourself has no right to claim the title of "hero", and any man that understands basic warfare is aware that your military skills are a joke.
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Someone Better Than You
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31.08.2016 - 09:46
3 on equite
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If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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31.08.2016 - 11:31
Ok imma host some Gladiatorial Games for 13 and spend like 3 on an equite
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31.08.2016 - 12:08
 JF.
No need to host more games we are on 0 unrest. You'll be wasting your money, save it for next turn.
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31.08.2016 - 12:39
==Turn 6: Phase 2 has begun==
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31.08.2016 - 12:55
People of rome, our benevolent republic is facing an unprecedent danger.... Treacheary from withinn has reached new levels. Sertorius Scurra and his faction are conspiring to overthrow the republic, they have breach the ancient covenant by raising troops inside Italy without the consent of the Senate. I thus call the people of Rome to put Sertorius Scurra and his co-conspirators to death.
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 12:59
The consuls are looting the wealth of Rome in order to weaken the state. Populares are placing themselves in command of all our provinces and plan at this very moment to March against a weaken and financially crippled rome.
Ladataan...
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31.08.2016 - 13:01
As a sign of good will I will veto safaris persecution .
Ladataan...
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31.08.2016 - 13:09
Consul Vote
1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Opiter Caelius (Safari)


Censor Vote
2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Praetor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)


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"Now, the Senate shall vote on the proposals of the Consuls. Tribunes speak now or forever hold your peace!"

Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse)
2)Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse)
1)Gaius Marcus (Ghost)

Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
3) Nay

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) promising to resign in favor of Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
3)7 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)



Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs
Tier II -5 talents per year to the treasury -2 Unrest if it passes
Sponsor: Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) will gain +2 popularity if passes
Cosponser: Herius Sertorius (Aetius) will gain +1 popularity if passes

1)Aye



Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)
1) Innocent


Ship Building (+3 talents per fleet constructed)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
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31.08.2016 - 13:13
Kirjoittanut Tundy, 31.08.2016 at 13:01

As a sign of good will I will veto safaris persecution .


thank you. we will make rome stronger than ever before
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Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 13:14
Sertorius addresses Antionius' irrational claims, "These are the ravings of a lunatic."

Consul Vote
2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )

Censor Vote
2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Praetor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse)
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse)
1) Gaius Marcus (Ghost)

Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
1) Consul Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
3)Gaius Marcus (Ghost) [Ripam Alexandriae]

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
2)6 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)

Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs
1)Aye

Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)
2) Guilty

Ship Building (+3 talents per fleet constructed)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
Ladataan...
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31.08.2016 - 13:20
Consul: 1
Censor: 1
Praetor: 1
Sicily: 1
Corsica-Sardinia: 1
Gallic War: 3
2nd Illyrian War: 1
Levying: 3
Force Deployment: 1
Land Bill: 1
Tunder Trial: 2
Ship Building: Vibius Caetronianus
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Someone Better Than You
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Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 13:24
Consul Vote
2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )

Censor Vote
2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Praetor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse)
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse)
1)Gaius Marcus (Ghost)

Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
2)Cossus Nipius Papus (Death1816) [Populares]

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) promising to resign in favor of Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Vote upon levying of new Legions/fleets
1)5 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)

Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs
1)Aye

Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)
2) Guilty

Ship Building (+3 talents per fleet constructed)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)
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"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone" - Pyrrhus of Epirus
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 14:02
Kirjoittanut Tundy, 31.08.2016 at 12:55

People of rome, our benevolent republic is facing an unprecedent danger.... Treacheary from withinn has reached new levels. Sertorius Scurra and his faction are conspiring to overthrow the republic, they have breach the ancient covenant by raising troops inside Italy without the consent of the Senate. I thus call the people of Rome to put Sertorius Scurra and his co-conspirators to death.

This is coming from the plagiariser who steals other people's credit and only assigns troops to himself so that unrest grows and the other players have to pay for games while he is filling his fat pockets with Shekels which he will later use to bribe a vote in order to become dictator?
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Someone Better Than You
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Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 14:09
 Witch-Doctor (Valvoja)
Trial of Tunder
Guilty.

Although the senator wishes the best for the survival of Rome, he still violated the fundamental principles of democracy by making bribes. I thank the former dictator and consul for his services to rome.


Consul Vote
2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )


Censor Vote
2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Praetor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

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Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse)
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse)
2)Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)



Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
1) Consul Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) promising to resign in favor of Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
3)7 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)

Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs
Veto

Land bills only deplete the wealth of the state. The generosity of fellow senators to host games is more than enough to keep the populous happy.
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 14:31
Kirjoittanut Witch-Doctor, 31.08.2016 at 14:09

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I hope you reconsider your vote, as it was I the one who protected the patriarch of your family during the Enigma-Optimate reign of terror.
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 14:52
 Witch-Doctor (Valvoja)
Kirjoittanut Tundy, 31.08.2016 at 14:31

Kirjoittanut Witch-Doctor, 31.08.2016 at 14:09

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I hope you reconsider your vote, as it was I the one who protected the patriarch of your family during the Enigma-Optimate reign of terror.


As a praetor and judge, I can not allow myself to be biased in my decision because you, my dear friend, has done a favor for my faction. At the time, my dear brother who died in the plague tried to convince you not to bribe the senate. He saw how unneccessary the bribe was since the general concensus was to instate a dictator to help defeat our enemies. It is unfortunate that I have to lay judgement upon you, but for the sake of truth, you did indeed break the law by bribing.

Guilty is my verdict. If I'm wrong and my decision is vastly unpopular , then let the gods or a would-be assassin strike me down for committing this grave error.
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 14:52
Senators of Rome, do not listen to the vile oppurtunist known as Gaius Antinius Asellio. Despite being called out on numerous occasions on his hypocrisy and deceit, he has never replied to any claims on his name, for he has nothing to reply with, when he is obviously the one who is taking advantage of the naivity of some senators. Instead he continious to scream baseless claims about corruption and reigns of terror without backing up his arguments. Men like Asellio will end up being the death of Rome and it's people.
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Someone Better Than You
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 15:29
Consul Vote
2)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )

Censor Vote
2)Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Praetor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Governorship of Sicily
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia
1) Gaius Marcus (Ghost)

Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
2)Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816)

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
3)Gaius Marcus (Ghost)

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
2)6 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)

Numetorian Land Bill
1)Aye

Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)
2) Guilty

Ship Building
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)
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ho
Ladataan...
Ladataan...
31.08.2016 - 15:29
Consul Vote
1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Opiter Caelius (Safari)

Censor Vote
1)Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)

Praetor Vote
2)Felix Cornelius (Godfather )

Governorship of Sicily (winner may refuse)
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Governorship of Corsica-Sardinia (winner may refuse)
2)Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Replace Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) command the 1st Gallic War with?
3) Nay

Who will command the 2nd Illyrian War?
1)Arruns Octavius (aurum.) promising to resign in favor of Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)5 Legions
2)6 Legions
3)7 Legions

Force deployments
1) Legio IV, Legio III, Legio XIV, Legio II, and 8 legions to fight gauls, Legio V and 4 legions to fight Illyrians (newly raised legions will be split between both armies)

Trial of Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)
Penalty: -5 influence, -5 popularity, all concessions lost

2) Guilty
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