Is war on the verge of breaking out?

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

You are listening about "invasion" on BBC, CNN?
How i remember, Ukrainian government permitted Russians in Ukraine to speak their own language, and made a lot more discriminations over Russians, civil war was guaranted by making such mistake........

NATO bombed 65% of the World we know today, and Russia is worse than that?
Russia has never bombed any country with reason to make Democracy government.
USA bombs country, makes their people in power, and then buy oil on low price, and sell everything that country without any infrastructure nor factory system needs to revive......

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

LoL, there will never be any excuse for NATO's "peace"actions, and you Americans are full of shit, not us.

Stop watching government controlled propaganda media who are brainwashing your small brain and look for reality.

Kirjoittanut Tik-Tok, 11.06.2016 at 15:31

The Soviet Union created no propaganda and had no major internationalist interests or interventions? Tito, this is a bold bullshit claim, even for you.

USSR and China never reported about US or EU and their crimes, rebellions, dissidents or riots. While US and EU used every single event from USSR and China and then amplify it to become a nationwide uprising against the totalitarian state.

West stick their nose too much into other peoples business, but when East started to do that in 21st century Hey its propaganda, they are lying and their leaders are corrupt.

Cut me a break will ya.

Kirjoittanut Tik-Tok, 11.06.2016 at 15:31

Muh "insert genocide here". Not on topic. You're a shitty Slavic SJW at this point.

Better to be shitty Slav then superior English who genocided millions of Indians, raped their wifes and starved their children.

We have clear conscious while you lose your sleep at night. That's why you are so lunatic during the day jingling with weapons on Russian doorstep.

Russia had incidents and dark things in the past, that was done by idiots who felt the sword of justice, sooner or later. But overall Russia was always free and prosperous, the Light of Humanity and that poke your eyes you genocidal maniac.

Kirjoittanut Tik-Tok, 11.06.2016 at 15:31

Muslim Calls for White Genocide of Europe


This is an open call for the total cultural, ethnic and territorial destruction of Europeans. This isn't tinfoil conspiracy. The anti-white agenda is very much out in the open and you can no longer discredit anymore. The evidence has mounted beyond rebuttal.

Kirjoittanut Skanderbeg, 11.06.2016 at 10:33

Migration is going on for thousand of years and didn't stop. Tribes and nations moved for millenia and miles. Europeans migrated to Australia and North America and now Middle Easterns and North Africans migrating to Europe. There are no colors and races, no superior race or color, that's all in your head.

Europeans have a right to self preservation of their culture, genetics and agency. You do not have a right to enter a territory if you are not a citizen. The state is not obligated to outsiders. Race is real, ethnic groups are real and every group has a right to preserve its identity and agency. No one in Europe wants this migration, we have opposed it and we will continue to oppose it.

What this man advocates is nothing less than the total destruction of all European ethnic groups, including Croats, Serbs, Greeks, Spaniards, Ukrainians and everyone else. Not just the West. Russia will be next because they ruin Europe, they will seek a better life East. Nothing you say can justify it and nothing you can claim will every have any rebuttal against our moral opposition to it. RT spoke to this man and they supported him. His other videos show a clear agenda of white annihilation through mass migration.

This agenda is open, it is dictated by governments, by corporations and instilled in education. This is irrefutable at this point, the evidence is overwhelming. But we will overcome.

He said Europe will become black, he didn't said SHOULD BE, but WILL BE. He just stated something very possible. And theres nothing wrong with historically speaking. Whites destroyed Red indian culture and settled in North America, now Black and Brown colors will push Whites from Europe, its history and natural thing. Hey, after all you support Darwinism and Social Darwinism, so deal with it. Stop crying, its coming to you what you did to other colors.



Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to spend what few minutes free i have left on other website forum to speak with Fascists, they seem interesting and their ideology. I told them about you and your ideology and they said you're typical Nazi who support Racial Socialism. They are against Communism and Capitalism, but they despise Nazis who enjoy corporate kickbacks like Hitler

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Post a proof of Russian invasion of 'Eastern Ukraine'.

But please... stop using words from western propaganda like that. It makes you look bad... When Japan bombed United States it was all over news 'JAPAN INVADE AMERICA', now because Russia obviously didn't invade Ukraine, propaganda can't use that word, so they say 'Russia invade EASTERN Ukraine'. Yeah right, one part of the country, one region.

If you're going to use such terminology then let's make it correct: Hitler didn't invade France, he invaded Northeast France. Germany invaded Oslo and not Norway. Germany invaded Western Poland, only few regions. Germany didn't invade USSR, it invaded only Soviet Baltic, Soviet Belarus and Soviet Ukraine, only 3 regions of USSR.

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 12.06.2016 at 11:04

Kirjoittanut Oleg, 12.06.2016 at 06:13

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

You are listening about "invasion" on BBC, CNN?
How i remember, Ukrainian government permitted Russians in Ukraine to speak their own language, and made a lot more discriminations over Russians, civil war was guaranted by making such mistake........

NATO bombed 65% of the World we know today, and Russia is worse than that?
Russia has never bombed any country with reason to make Democracy government.
USA bombs country, makes their people in power, and then buy oil on low price, and sell everything that country without any infrastructure nor factory system needs to revive......

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

LoL, there will never be any excuse for NATO's "peace"actions, and you Americans are full of shit, not us.

Stop watching government controlled propaganda media who are brainwashing your small brain and look for reality.

See above.

about what evidence? Do you want me to record you books i am reading lol?

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 12.06.2016 at 17:52

Kirjoittanut Oleg, 12.06.2016 at 17:27

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Yeah, give me the title, page number, and quote of this magic "book" where it says Russia did not invade Donbass. You didn't even address all the Russian sources I posted. Are you serious, admit you're wrong.

LoL i didnt send any adresses fag.......
Me and AndArtes arent the same players fag,,,,,,
And third end fag/////
Now, you want me to tell you book? Ok, no problem
Путин - Моћ Русије
Бранко Влаховић

First parts of book, I cannot tell you exactly because i gave my friend that book a long ago.
This is just one book, I read a lot about politics, and not from brainwashing media...

There needs to be a war, war has been foreseen it has been planned, there is no going back. Stand for what you know and love and never go back. Cause now is make or break do what you will and save yourself and your family. Cause there may be no second chances.

Kirjoittanut JF., 12.06.2016 at 19:13

There needs to be a war, war has been foreseen it has been planned, there is no going back. Stand for what you know and love and never go back. Cause now is make or break do what you will and save yourself and your family. Cause there may be no second chances.

ok, start the worldwar, i'm done with this shit, i'm german, i'm used to losing anyways

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 12.06.2016 at 19:05

Kirjoittanut Oleg, 12.06.2016 at 18:21

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 12.06.2016 at 17:52

Kirjoittanut Oleg, 12.06.2016 at 17:27

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Yeah, give me the title, page number, and quote of this magic "book" where it says Russia did not invade Donbass. You didn't even address all the Russian sources I posted. Are you serious, admit you're wrong.

LoL i didnt send any adresses fag.......
Me and AndArtes arent the same players fag,,,,,,
And third end fag/////
Now, you want me to tell you book? Ok, no problem
Путин - Моћ Русије
Бранко Влаховић

First parts of book, I cannot tell you exactly because i gave my friend that book a long ago.
This is just one book, I read a lot about politics, and not from brainwashing media...

Please give me a source that isn't a mouthpiece for the Russian government. Branka Vlahovic is a corespondent for the Serbian state owned 'Vecernje Novosti' newspaper which has a strong pro-Krelim bias. And you think you are not being brainwashed.

Branko is the best !!!!! Stop lying.

Kirjoittanut Zephyrusu, 11.06.2016 at 06:34

Kirjoittanut Tirpitz406, 10.06.2016 at 16:40

i still prefer to live in a country that has been heavily influenced by the US over living in any of the priviously mentioned states, the outcome just is pretty good.

You'd love to live in Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, half of the African countries, all Central American countries and the gulf states now wouldn't you?

...?

I've lived in one of those US-influenced so-called "poor" countries for nearly a decade.

Life is pretty decent for most people, even in the more impoverished areas. Quite a lot of pretty severe poverty, sure, especially in the rural areas. But the majority of humanity, even in middle income countries like Thailand, doesn't experience that kind of poverty.

I find that people have a tendency to underestimate the sheer difference between "poor" countries like Thailand or Tunisia and actually poor countries like the Congo or Afghanistan. The majority of US satellite states are pretty decent places to live in. I'll take (modern-day) Lebanon or Tunisia over the Soviet Union or National Socialist Germany any year of my life.

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Anyways, back on topic, I personally don't think that Eastern Europe is about to be embroiled in a giant military conflict anytime soon.

From my perspective (as a citizen of one of the US allies), it looks like Russia's moving very aggressively against its neighbours, but I can see why Russia might not quite see things that way.

Admittedly, I'm not an expert in geopolitical affairs, but from my perspective it appears that the current Russian actions against the Baltic States and Ukraine (+ Poland?) are the natural reaction of a great power trying to secure its immediate neighbours against the influence of a foreign and potentially hostile power (in this case the US), and not the actions of a great power seeking to prepare for a major military campaign against another great power.

Think about it from the Russian perspective. The United States, which is a long-standing rival with which Russia still have pretty chilly relations, is starting to exert great influence over countries that directly borders Russia. If the Ukraine joins NATO, that's a pretty severe threat to Russia. The US and NATO might not have any intention to militarily confront Russia, but Russia has no way of actually knowing whether NATO has peaceful intentions. From the Russian perspective, the current crisis in Ukraine isn't "aggression," it's simply a defence of Russia's natural sphere of influence.

Whether or not that defence/aggression is "right" is completely irrelevant. It might be justified or it might not be. The point is, just because Russia's moving aggressively against Ukraine doesn't mean it plans to do so against the European NATO states.

Holy fucking shit this discussion went to poop.

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

You sound like a very young ignorant kid, what are you 10?

Vietnam and SE Asia, Guatemala, Nicaragua and rest of South america- practically every mass murderer and dictator there was "USA backed" - even Cuba was invaded (failed), Middle East - from CIA orchestrated coups back in the 50's in Syria and Iran, to puppet governmets and jihadist funding and assasinations in virtually all of the Middle East to invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq to wrecking North Africa -> Libya (and lower -> Somalia anyone?) even in the fucking European Balkans-yugoslav wars, CIA planned civil wars (hi greece) bombing of Serbia-annexing Kosovo, to the latest complete and utter destruction of Syria and Ukraine, just to name a few.

Who's responsible for all those things, Russia or USA?

USA started planning the coup in Syria back in 2009 when Assad declined the Qatar pipeline, way before the Arab spring and started this whole shit and tried to illegally replace a democratically elected president in Ukraine to install a puppet one and recruit it in NATO and endebt it forever in IMF.http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782 All these to Russia's little fucking brother, a country which shares borders with, a country that shares genetic and cultural similarities, a country with tens of millions of people who speak Russian and have relatives in Russia, a country that was part in the Russian empire and Soviet Union.

All Russia did was protect its borders, its own minorities and its survival against NATO and USA agressive foreign policy and shadey tactics.

Thankfully the world agrees with me. Get out of your fucking heads Americans.

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 13.06.2016 at 22:28

Did I say anything to suggest that America's actions in Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua, + others wasn't a complete violation of international law and sovereignty. Why don't you argue with the Serbs who don't believe Russia violated Ukraine's sovereignty.

But thanks for taking the time to tell me things I already know, I doubt you even read the whole thread. Tsk tsk

Im neutral here, but why give shit to Russia for taking Crimea when for same reason USA and its allies supported Kosovo getting independence? its pretty much the same situation in both of these cases yet US stands opposite in them.

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

lmao who would answer UK

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

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But Greeks never invaded Persia or Egypt
Russia never genocided the people of siberia, invaded poland, finland, ukraine, latvia,estonia, afghanistan
Romans never enslaved the Gaulic Tribes
China never invaded Vietnam or Tibet
Italy never invaded ethopia, albania, yugoslavia,greece
Persians never invaded the greeks or afghans
Indians never invaded Persia
Romania never invaded Russia
Sweden never invaded Russia, Poland, Germany
Norway never invaded England
England never colonized the world
France never colonized the world
Spain never genocided the azteks
Mexico never genocided the indians
Brazil and Argentina never invaded paraguay
Austria never invaded Germany
it goes on and on, Human nature doesn't change just because some anarchists wish everybody to hold hands.

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

All these to Turkey's little fucking brother, a country which shares borders with, a country that shares genetic and cultural similarities, a country with tens of millions of people who speak Turkish and have relatives in Turkey, a country that was part in the Turkish empire and Ottoman Empire.

Yes lets give back greek clay back to the turks

Kirjoittanut Evic, 13.06.2016 at 22:54

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 13.06.2016 at 22:28

Did I say anything to suggest that America's actions in Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua, + others wasn't a complete violation of international law and sovereignty. Why don't you argue with the Serbs who don't believe Russia violated Ukraine's sovereignty.

But thanks for taking the time to tell me things I already know, I doubt you even read the whole thread. Tsk tsk

Im neutral here, but why give shit to Russia for taking Crimea when for same reason USA and its allies supported Kosovo getting independence? its pretty much the same situation in both of these cases yet US stands opposite in them.

NO FUCKTARD ,IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.
UKRAINIANS DIDN'T TRIED TO WIPE RUSSIANS BY FORCE,SERBS DID.

Kirjoittanut Black Swans, 14.06.2016 at 08:11

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But they did, russians rebelled and if russia didnt send in their army chances are ukrainians would invade crimea just like they did in donbas and lughansk.

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 12.06.2016 at 10:55

This is seriously unbelievable, Putin himself admitted there were Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine.

https://lenta.ru/news/2015/12/17/difference/

10 Russian paratroops were captured on Ukraine's sovereign territory.

http://www.interfax.ru/world/393407

Vladimir Zhirinovsky admits to have ordered military equipment to be sent to Ukraine.

http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1730690/

List of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine.

https://tvrain.ru/soldat/

Financing of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.

http://www.rbc.ru/investigation/politics/15/06/2015/5579b4b99a7947b063440210

Russian soldiers forced to participate in war in Ukraine.

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/07/10_a_7633125.shtml

Russian special forces injured in Ukraine.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2730234

Maybe you should read about how much control the Russian government has on its peoples perspectives before you go off spouting that Russia never violated Ukraine's sovereignty. Seriously, the Russian government can use flowery diction all it wants, but there is significant proof that the "volunteers who went to Ukraine in an organized fashion" were infact Russian military.

And where did these 'Russian separatists' get advanced missile detection "Aistenok"

1) Interesting articles, indeed Russian, yet they all start with 'Ukrainian media Espreso TV reporting:'... Espreso TV is ukrainian media and Russian news outlets just copied to show Russian viewers what Ukrainians say and claim. You failed big time on this one.




I wonder who the owner of Espreso TV is... hmm...


2) Zhirinovsky is nationalist who doesn't have credibility or power in Russia, he is considered a joker and nothing more. No one pay attention to his statements anymore. He can yell all day how he sent troops and fund Donbass but everyone know that's circus. Even if he do that, that's his problem, not Russias, as he is not Russian state, president or leader of Russian people.

Volunteers from Russia are allowed to go to Ukraine and fight... whatever side they pick, no one will stop them. No one denies the fact there are Russian volunteers on the Donbass, but they are not sent by the army, although many had militiary training or career because Russia recently stopped conscription, before 2015 all able men had to do serve in the Russian and before that Soviet military for 1 or 2 years depends on the branch. That's how you get 30 million Russians who went through military training, so if some of them end up in Ukraine doesn't mean he is active soldier sent by ebil Putin.




3) I didn't know about Astenok, really interesting, will do my research on that.



4) And as i said above, current events going in Russian interest without Russia making significant effort or propaganda: Khalesi explaining recent geopolitical history.

When Russia hold joint military exercise with Mexico on US border, then we can talk about assertive and aggressive Russia.

Untill then, i win you lose, good night and stay lucky. Don't forget to tip the waitress

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

Lol 12th spot Russia, epic. I wonder what would Poles and Swedes say about this. Until then, back to World of Tanks and War Thunder selling premium to Polish players.

Kirjoittanut Tirpitz406, 12.06.2016 at 20:04

ok, start the worldwar, i'm done with this shit, i'm german, i'm used to losing anyways

Wanna change? Become victorious in battles, give us Russians the power of economy.

Kirjoittanut For Antioch, 14.06.2016 at 17:43

Kirjoittanut Viruslegion, 13.06.2016 at 23:01

lmao who would answer UK

I'm more shocked by the 4% for Japan, its constitution only allows it to defend its borders.

Somalia surprises me too, it's not like Somalia is even a real country anymore

Kirjoittanut Viruslegion, 15.06.2016 at 00:29

Kirjoittanut For Antioch, 14.06.2016 at 17:43

Kirjoittanut Viruslegion, 13.06.2016 at 23:01

lmao who would answer UK

I'm more shocked by the 4% for Japan, its constitution only allows it to defend its borders.

Somalia surprises me too, it's not like Somalia is even a real country anymore

I'd say is more of a threat to neighboring African countries.

Kirjoittanut Skanderbeg, 14.06.2016 at 18:01

Kirjoittanut Tirpitz406, 12.06.2016 at 20:04

ok, start the worldwar, i'm done with this shit, i'm german, i'm used to losing anyways

Wanna change? Become victorious in battles, give us Russians the power of economy.

lol, obviously you make simple demands (you don't).

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 15.06.2016 at 08:29

lol, obviously you make simple demands (you don't).

Maybe, but smart Victory in battles is unnecessary in modern times since wars are fought economically today.

Even if Russia obtain large economy like Germany, it will still be 3 times smaller than American, and 2 times that of China. It will be like Japanese (40-50k per capita & 5-6 trn overall). Large territory doesn't mean large economy, because it is related to population. So you should not fear of that.

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 13.06.2016 at 23:20

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

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But Greeks never invaded Persia or Egypt
Russia never genocided the people of siberia, invaded poland, finland, ukraine, latvia,estonia, afghanistan
Romans never enslaved the Gaulic Tribes
China never invaded Vietnam or Tibet
Italy never invaded ethopia, albania, yugoslavia,greece
Persians never invaded the greeks or afghans
Indians never invaded Persia
Romania never invaded Russia
Sweden never invaded Russia, Poland, Germany
Norway never invaded England
England never colonized the world
France never colonized the world
Spain never genocided the azteks
Mexico never genocided the indians
Brazil and Argentina never invaded paraguay
Austria never invaded Germany
it goes on and on, Human nature doesn't change just because some anarchists wish everybody to hold hands.

Or maybe realize i was talking post ww2 which is universally accepted as the "modern period". Point of the discussion was who is the agressor in modern times, everything i mentioned was USA foreign policy post ww2, no point going back to the middle ages, classical history and the aztecs now, right? If you want we can still change the premise a little and change it to post-cold war? I think the result is obviously the same, the geopolitical bully is by far the United States of America. Its not about opinions or likes/dislikes, merely facts.

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 18.06.2016 at 06:35

Kirjoittanut Tundy, 13.06.2016 at 23:20

Kirjoittanut Khal.eesi, 13.06.2016 at 21:08

Kirjoittanut Earthbound, 11.06.2016 at 22:34

Anyone who claims (Tito) that Russia is not the aggressor is complete bull. Did everyone forget the invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Still doesn't exuse NATO's actions but some of y'all are full of sh*t.

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But Greeks never invaded Persia or Egypt
Russia never genocided the people of siberia, invaded poland, finland, ukraine, latvia,estonia, afghanistan
Romans never enslaved the Gaulic Tribes
China never invaded Vietnam or Tibet
Italy never invaded ethopia, albania, yugoslavia,greece
Persians never invaded the greeks or afghans
Indians never invaded Persia
Romania never invaded Russia
Sweden never invaded Russia, Poland, Germany
Norway never invaded England
England never colonized the world
France never colonized the world
Spain never genocided the azteks
Mexico never genocided the indians
Brazil and Argentina never invaded paraguay
Austria never invaded Germany
it goes on and on, Human nature doesn't change just because some anarchists wish everybody to hold hands.

Or maybe realize i was talking post ww2 which is universally accepted as the "modern period". Point of the discussion was who is the agressor in modern times, everything i mentioned was USA foreign policy post ww2, no point going back to the middle ages, classical history and the aztecs now, right? If you want we can still change the premise a little and change it to post-cold war? I think the result is obviously the same, the geopolitical bully is by far the United States of America. Its not about opinions or likes/dislikes, merely facts.

Agreed.

Putin just said that Poland will be a target for a potential nuclear strike if they station US missile defense there.

Kirjoittanut Need Mental Help, 21.06.2016 at 21:09

Putin just said that Poland will be a target for a potential nuclear strike if they station US missile defense there.

THAT'S A LIE YOU EVIL WESTERN SCUM



^ See how I inpersonated Tito?

Kirjoittanut Al Fappino, 26.06.2016 at 14:32

Kirjoittanut Need Mental Help, 21.06.2016 at 21:09

Putin just said that Poland will be a target for a potential nuclear strike if they station US missile defense there.

THAT'S A LIE YOU EVIL WESTERN SCUM



^ See how I inpersonated Tito?

lol